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| |  Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:50 AM | |
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| I was thinking about the injury situation, not only on the team, but throughout the league, and I was wondering which injury is the most devastating to the different types of teams. If you are Indianapolis, is it more damaging to you to lose Manning than it is to Jacksonville to lose it's interior Offensive Line?
For instance, teams such as New England, Indianapolis, and to an extent Philadelphia run their Offense through the Quarterback. The argument can be made that the entire teams philosophy of how the want to win games go through the QB as well for Philadelphia and Indianapolis seeing as how they are pressure heavy schemes. Philadelphia with its myriad of blitz packages and Indianapolis with its fast and light Defensive Ends, but that is not really germane to this conversation. Essentially, good play from the Quarterback is required for team success. Any injury that requires replacement is probably catastrophic to the teams chances.
Other teams depend on their Quarterback for their success, but more out of necessity than design. Pittsburgh simply can't generate a run game without Willie Parker so Roethlisberger is asked to basically carry the team on his back. Seriously, what do you think Pittsburgh's record would be if Ben wasn't there?
Now teams like Tennessee and Jacksonville, they run their Offense through the Running Game, and it has been stated over and over, that it all starts up front. If the running lanes are not opened, then the running game is essentially invisible, and the entire gameplan changes. You have to rely on what is not your strength.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:56 AM | |
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| Chooch (10/29/2008)
I was thinking about the injury situation, not only on the team, but throughout the league, and I was wondering which injury is the most devastating to the different types of teams. If you are Indianapolis, is it more damaging to you to lose Manning than it is to Jacksonville to lose it's interior Offensive Line?The Jags were built with depth as its strength. We don't pay huge contracts but rather build a team compiled of very good players. The Colts have an unbalanced salary structure and have kept their star players by giving huge contracts and sacrificing depth. That my friend is the way it was supposed to work. Now, when we get injuries, we've come to realize our backups really stink so I'm not certain what is going on. I just know we have a bunch of fast players that are getting pushed around.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:19 AM | |
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| Chooch (10/29/2008)
Pittsburgh simply can't generate a run game without Willie Parker so Roethlisberger is asked to basically carry the team on his back. Since Willie P & Mendenhall went out, their 3rd string RB Mewelde Moore has rushed 65 times for 322 yards for a 5.0 average. He ran for 99 vs Jags, 120 vs Bengals, and 84 vs Giants. Ben's presense opens up the running game because he is a threat on every play. He got a $130 million dollar contract to be a threat. Garrard only has a $60 million dollar contract so the expectations should be less severe if he goes out. Our Backup QB earns $2.7m while the Steelers backup QB earns $600k. We're built to sustain injuries with our depth.... so we thought.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:32 AM | |
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| | Well losing all three of your starting interior offensive linemen is a little more of a test than just getting into your 'depth'... Anyone who doesn't think the injuries to the o-line to begin the year has not had the most profound effect on our Offense, well- really doesn't have a clue. (BIG surprise) Now the Defense... That's another story.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:52 AM | |
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| | It hasn't just been the interior line. We've also had a hard time keeping our WR on the field. Our injuries have been greater than the Patriots losing Brady. |
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| | Every year we talk injuries. How it's kept us down. Jeez louise we sound like welfare cases making excuses why we are not good! The man kept us down! The injuries kept us down! Maybe we have mediocre players, drafted by a mediocre Front office and a head coach that was a great linebacker but not so great a talent scout and coach???And in this league mediocre is miles away from the top organizations. Could that be it???????????? nah, you are right, it's the injuries. Just cut and paste this same thread next year.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:14 AM | |
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| Breeze (10/29/2008)
Every year we talk injuries. How it's kept us down. Jeez louise we sound like welfare cases making excuses why we are not good! The man kept us down! The injuries kept us down!
Maybe we have mediocre players, drafted by a mediocre Front office and a head coach that was a great linebacker but not so great a talent scout and coach???And in this league mediocre is miles away from the top organizations.
Could thatbe it???????????? nah, you are right, it's the injuries. Just cut and paste this same threadnext year.
Why don't you take your knee jerk, overtly emotional, I-didn't-even-bother-to-read-the-whole-thing reaction and keep it to yourself?
I, nor any of the other posters in this thread, have not made the first excuse or complaint about the injury situation. I even brought in Pittsburgh and their M*A*S*H unit as an example of a team whose leader was quoted as saying that they would never complain about injuries, but apparently you have a problem picking up on subtlety and allusion.
The reason that Jacksonville has lost 4 games is because the players on the field are not playing well enough to get the job done, plain and simple. Now whether that is due to the fact that they simply don't have the talent to do what needs to be done, they haven't been properly prepared to do what needs to be done, or they simply aren't willing to do what needs to be done, is not and will not be discussed in this thread.
The intent of this topic that you so obviously blew right past into yet another of your patented, agenda-filled rants was which injuries have the greatest impact on what type of team? If you have an opinion on that, please share it, otherwise, go to one of the multiple, infinitely thought-provoking "Shack and Jack must go" threads and hammer out something akin to what my retarded cat could produce.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:16 AM | |
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| HURRICANE!!! (10/29/2008)
Chooch (10/29/2008)
I was thinking about the injury situation, not only on the team, but throughout the league, and I was wondering which injury is the most devastating to the different types of teams. If you are Indianapolis, is it more damaging to you to lose Manning than it is to Jacksonville to lose it's interior Offensive Line?
The Jags were built with depth as its strength. We don't pay huge contracts but rather build a team compiled of very good players. The Colts have an unbalanced salary structure and have kept their star players by giving huge contracts and sacrificing depth.
That my friend is the way it was supposed to work. Now, when we get injuries, we've come to realize our backups really stink so I'm not certain what is going on. I just know we have a bunch of fast players that are getting pushed around.
That's a very good point, and for a long while I had thought that our depth was a key strength to the team. Does anyone know just how far down the depth chart the team is with regards to the OG's and the street Free Agents that the team has brought in?
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| | | Posted Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:23 AM | |
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| DAVEPDB2 (10/29/2008)
Well losing all three of your starting interior offensive linemen is a little more of a test than just getting into your 'depth'... Anyone who doesn't think the injuries to the o-line to begin the year has not had the most profound effect on our Offense, well- really doesn't have a clue. (BIG surprise) Now the Defense... That's another story. Meester was back and MJD rushed for 29 yards for a 2.4 yards per carry average. Our only rushing yards are coming from Garrard's broken plays when he needs to run for his life.
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| | My dad once said, "A quarterback is only as good as his offensive line," adding this: if Green Bay's offensive line was bad, even Brett Favre would suck. After Green Bay lost both guards to free agency, the next season was not as good for Favre as the previous year and the in-game commentators kept talking about that. There's proof it all begins with the front five, not the quarterback, as if Jaguars fans didn't know. Of course losing five offensive linemen (Collier, Manuwai, Meester, Maurice Williams, and Naeole) when we did makes our situation the worst of any offensive line today. Even Milford Brown was ruled out of the Cleveland game. With that many injuries, it looks like we really have no depth on the offensive line anymore. The Colts (and any other year Patriots) never needed depth at quarterback. All the backups did was prepare for the day when they might be needed. Same story while Brett Favre was in Green Bay: most fans did not even know who his backups were. The reason New England did not start losing every week was they still had the rest of the offense. Every time Favre left a game with an injury, his team lost. That can be expected because he never played for a team that had the kind of firepower we saw in San Francisco and Dallas in the 1990s or Patriots and Colts this decade, just enough talent to win games when he was on the field. In other words, any offense, regardless of its quarterback situation, needs a lot of talent surrounding the passer to win games.
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