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| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:36 PM | |
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| Steelo (10/6/2008)
BJORN TOURAQUE (10/6/2008)
Barnes69 (10/6/2008)
1st Round Picks DT Casey Hampton - Jacksonville took Marcus Stroud. Not a Shack pick.
Since 2003 Jacksonville has had 16 first round pro bowlers drafted after their pick.
There were 74 total first round picks available after Jacksonville picked.
I'll play along.
Using only the first round picks that everyone is always quick to throw the bust tag on.
Let's assume that the draft philophosy was need based and not BAP. Starting with 2003:
2003 QB's available after Leftwich pick: 1. Kyle Boller 2. Rex Grossman 2004 After Reggie Williams WR 1. Lee Evans 2. Michael Clayton 3. Michael Jenkins 4. Rashaun Woods 2005 After Matt Jones WR 1. Mark Clayton 2. Roddy White 2006 Marcedes Lewis TE No TE's after pick, TE's before pick: 1. Vernon Davis
2007 Reggie Nelson Safety
No Safety taken after pick. Safety's before pick: 1. LaRon Landry So, if we were needs based drafting, which everyone accuses the FO of doing, which of these picks would you change? Maybe Lee Evans? Are the picks really that bad? Exactly..... the picks are not that bad. I say this all the time Holy cow... Using that argument, I can see your guy's point. Let's get realistic here though. We didn't have to draft a QB in 2003. We could have taken S Troy Polamalu or LT Jordan Gross. In 2004, we didn't have to take a WR, we could have selceted QB Big Ben or LT Shawn Andrews. In 2005 we didn't have to take a WR, we could have taken QB Aaron Rodgers or TE Heath Miller...and so on... |
| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:37 PM | |
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| Barnes69 (10/6/2008) We didn't have to draft a QB in 2003. We could have taken Troy Polamalu or Jordan Gross. In 2004, we didn't have to take a WR, we could have selceted Big Ben or Shawn Andrews. In 2005 we didn't have to take a WR, we could have taken Aaron Rodgers or Heath Miller...and so on...
Do you have natural 20/20 hindsight, or do you wear glasses for it? |
| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:40 PM | |
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| iapetus (10/6/2008)
Barnes69 (10/6/2008) We didn't have to draft a QB in 2003. We could have taken Troy Polamalu or Jordan Gross. In 2004, we didn't have to take a WR, we could have selceted Big Ben or Shawn Andrews. In 2005 we didn't have to take a WR, we could have taken Aaron Rodgers or Heath Miller...and so on...Do you have natural 20/20 hindsight, or do you wear glasses for it? Do you have any comprehension skills or are you still learning to read? I wasn't the one that brought this argument up. I quoted someone else and blew up their argument that we took the best player at that position. All I was saying is that we didn't have to take that position at all. |
| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:44 PM | |
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| Barnes69 (10/6/2008)
I know it’s tough sometimes not to be a homer and fall in love with our players. I see post after post defending Shack because we have players on our roster that are late round pick. For those who just can’t see past the Jaguars roster and see that what our GM does is below average, I posted the Steelers roster that we played on Sunday below.
They started 13 players that were 4th round picks and later including 6 players that weren’t even drafted! I counted Nate Washington in this because he played a lot last night and scored. 13 players!!
All I am trying to say here, is we have to stop defending Shack for his “late round gems.” EVERY team has these players!! If you look at the Steelers roster, their late round gems dwarf ours. They beat us with a bunch of undrafted players and 4th round picks.
The second argument is our first round selections. We have to stop defending Shack with “oh, they are coming around.” They were first round picks!! They shouldn’t have to come around! Look at the Steelers 1st round picks below.
My conclusion is, the Steelers like so many other teams and GMs stike gold with their first round picks and then fill the holes with late round selections. People argue, “well shack drafted Bobby McCray.” Who cares?! Look around!! Every team has these players! Most of them actually have more late round gems than us. For some reason Shack Harris still has a job even though he has failed to strike gold even once in the first round and fills the holes with subpar talent.
DE Aaron Smith – 4th round
DT Chris Hoke – Undrafted DE Brett Keisel – 7th round
LB Larry Foote – 4th round
LB James Harrison – Undrafted
LB LaMarr Woodley – 2nd round
LB James Farrior – Free agent pickup
CB Deshea Townsend – 4th round
FS Ryan Clark – Undrafted
CB Ike Taylor – 4th round
RT Willie Colon – 4th round
RG Darnell Stapleton – Undrafted
C Justin Hartwig – Free agent pickup
LG Chris Kemoeatu – 6th round
LT Marvel Smith – 2nd round
FB Carry Davis – Undrafted
WR Nate Washington – Undrafted
WR Hines Ward – 3rd round
1st Round Picks QB Ben Roethlisberger
SS Troy Polamalu
WR Santonio Holmes
DT Casey Hampton
TE Heath Miller
The issue with these rants is the blame being placed solely on Harris. Shack is an easy target. Apparently you folks know the name of none of the other individuals who logically have strong input. |
| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:45 PM | |
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| Barnes69 (10/6/2008) We didn't have to draft a QB in 2003. We could have taken Troy Polamalu or Jordan Gross. In 2004, we didn't have to take a WR, we could have selceted Big Ben or Shawn Andrews. In 2005 we didn't have to take a WR, we could have taken Aaron Rodgers or Heath Miller...and so on...
[/quote]Yes, but Ben would have been gone because the other 7 teams that did not draft Ben before the Jags pick are now playing the "what if" game too.
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| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:48 PM | |
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| HURRICANE!!! (10/6/2008)
Barnes69 (10/6/2008) We didn't have to draft a QB in 2003. We could have taken Troy Polamalu or Jordan Gross. In 2004, we didn't have to take a WR, we could have selceted Big Ben or Shawn Andrews. In 2005 we didn't have to take a WR, we could have taken Aaron Rodgers or Heath Miller...and so on... Yes, but Ben would have been gone because the other 7 teams that did not draft Ben before the Jags pick are now playing the "what if" game too.[/quote] I understand that. People keep taking quotes out of context and requoting them. Only reason I posted that was in response to someone argument that didn't hold any water. |
| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:49 PM | |
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| Barnes69 (10/6/2008) Do you have any comprehension skills or are you still learning to read?
You didn't answer the question. What you were presented with was a description of what did happen. Your reaction was, as happens all too often in these cases, to respond with the picks that someone with full knowledge of the future might have taken. If you get to play that game, even Matt Millen can be a genius.
When you're ready to actually defend your argument, feel free to try again. |
| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:50 PM | |
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| BJORN TOURAQUE (10/6/2008)
Barnes69 (10/6/2008)
1st Round Picks DT Casey Hampton - Jacksonville took Marcus Stroud. Not a Shack pick. Since 2003 Jacksonville has had 16 first round pro bowlers drafted after their pick.
There were 74 total first round picks available after Jacksonville picked.
I'll play along.
Using only the first round picks that everyone is always quick to throw the bust tag on.
Let's assume that the draft philophosy was need based and not BAP. Starting with 2003:
2003 QB's available after Leftwich pick: 1. Kyle Boller 2. Rex Grossman 2004 After Reggie Williams WR 1. Lee Evans 2. Michael Clayton 3. Michael Jenkins 4. Rashaun Woods 2005 After Matt Jones WR 1. Mark Clayton 2. Roddy White 2006 Marcedes Lewis TE No TE's after pick, TE's before pick: 1. Vernon Davis
2007 Reggie Nelson Safety
No Safety taken after pick. Safety's before pick: 1. LaRon Landry So, if we were needs based drafting, which everyone accuses the FO of doing, which of these picks would you change? Maybe Lee Evans? Are the picks really that bad? So in 2004 and 2005 you don't think Lee Evans and Roddy White are better than Reggie Williams and Matt Jones? Plus, you can't use just the position picked as an argument for each year. There were other positions of need that could have been chosen. In 2003 we should not have even drafted a QB. Shack was intent on drafting Leftwich solely because he wanted a QB for the team in his own mold and wanted "his guy". DE Terrell Suggs should have been the pick. That would have allowed us to take Rothelisberger the next year if we needed a QB. In 2006 Marcedes Lewis should not have been the pick. Demeco Ryans, who went to the Pro Bowl I belicve, is who most thought should have been the pick at the time. In 2007, Reggie Nelson was a decent pick. In 2008, several picks were traded away for Harvey, who the jury is still out on, but is not looking like the right pick.
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| | | Posted Monday, October 06, 2008 3:55 PM | |
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| you guys do know that weaver is in the war room with them right? the OWNER! has the ultimate say in what happens with the team like Jerry Jones and Al Davis picking who THEY want not what Lane and Wade say.
if Weaver didn't agree with the pick he wouldn't have let them make it.
1st round picks are coin flips and we just got tails a few times... thats all! the players he picked aren't terrible. they're all contributors and are better than most late round picks. they're just not that HOMERUN! everyone wants out of a 1st rounder... I'm happy with all of Shack's choices except Leftwich who at the time I thought was a good pick but his ankles didn't seem to agree...
its not Shack's fault call me a homer for saying this but 4 people make the draft day decision, the GM, the HC, the president of football operations, and the owner has the final say!
blame Shack all you want its not like he made the pick all by himself.
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