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| Kane (9/20/2008)
yeh the browns and bengals and ravens never gave MUCH competition from the steelers except maybe one year for each team. JDR never got the awesome players that burgh did. I don't know if I would compare JDR and Cowher as similar. I do however think JDR is a great coach. And the team has gotten better with him and his coaching staff. I don't bash the FO or anything, I get tired of hearing TMD talk about it, but at some point you do you have to wonder if the GM will be heading for the door. Maybe hand that stuff over to JDR... or bring in someone else. I don't know.... but it is like Vic says.. Players not plays..... We have some really good talent on this team... but I don't know how many GREAT players we have. 4 maybe 5? None of them being wr's... JDR can't do it all. I don't think his job is in Jeopardy until he has multiple losing seasons or he has all the talent (and healthy) to go to the superbowl and doesnt capitalize. Naw I don't think his job is on the line either even if this year blows for him. I think the team will use injuries as an excuse. Do the Jags have money next offseason to spend? If so I think they will again. But really you guys should just draft a few stud wide receivers, I was suprised you did not draft one this year. |
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| | | Posted Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:45 PM | |
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| Del Rio is 31-17 over the last three seasons. And that's including an 8-8 season where the team lost I think it was 5 of its last 6 games or something crazy, and including games where the team benched its starters with the playoffs wrapped up.
Del Rio's record prior to the last three years is really not important. You're talking about a guy who had to re-build a team in salary cap hell. It takes time. Every team should know and understand that.
31-17 over the last three seasons does not make you a bad coach.
If we didn't sit our starters last season in the finale... you're talking about finishing at least 12-4 in two of the last three seasons.
.. on vince young
David: he will find a way to throw this game away
David: even tho they already lost
Naddy: i need chargers to get a pick 6 to help out my playoff challenge
David: me too
David: that'd be nice
(3:44) (Shotgun) 10-V.Young pass deep middle intended for 17-Ch.Davis INTERCEPTED by 29-D.Florence at TEN 29.
David: bingo
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| | | Posted Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:24 AM | |
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| XLIColts (9/20/2008)
Kane (9/20/2008)
yeh the browns and bengals and ravens never gave MUCH competition from the steelers except maybe one year for each team. JDR never got the awesome players that burgh did. I don't know if I would compare JDR and Cowher as similar. I do however think JDR is a great coach. And the team has gotten better with him and his coaching staff. I don't bash the FO or anything, I get tired of hearing TMD talk about it, but at some point you do you have to wonder if the GM will be heading for the door. Maybe hand that stuff over to JDR... or bring in someone else. I don't know.... but it is like Vic says.. Players not plays..... We have some really good talent on this team... but I don't know how many GREAT players we have. 4 maybe 5? None of them being wr's... JDR can't do it all. I don't think his job is in Jeopardy until he has multiple losing seasons or he has all the talent (and healthy) to go to the superbowl and doesnt capitalize. The time period in question is from 1992 to 1997 for Cowher and the "Ravens" only existed for one of those years, called the Browns before that. The divisions they played in weren't too bad with old Cleveland and Houston (now Tennessee) each posting ten win seasons during the time, Houston actually won a division title one year, and your own Jaguars were actually in the same division with them in 1996 and 1997 and were not that bad. One year the division had four out of five teams at .500 or above with Pitt winning the division. Maybe it is the drafting and the GM, but then all I read on here is how Fred Taylor is so underrated and should be in the HOF and how great DG was last year and how he deserved his big contract and should have made the Pro Bowl. The fans obviously think there is SOME talent and the defense is pretty good. The huge gap is at WR. I didnt see where anyone limited the time period. It was just comparing coach to coach. Cowher coached up until 2006? But yes the divisions were different early on, either way the Browns havent ever been great in that time that I can remember. And I never was the one actually comparing the two coaches. My only point was that JDR has had more competition and less talent than I believe Cowher had, and also that his job won't be on the line for a long while. I was one who loved them being aggressive and going after harvey in the draft. I just don't know if it is going to work out like they wanted. I was pretty sure depth on oline was a problem before the draft, it was stated as being a need and we didn't address it, and we didn't address WR because we didn't have much to choose from? Well... I sure woulda liked to get ahold of DeSean Jackson that is for sure. The drafting has been horrible, I won't be calling for a GMs head myself, but JDR has managed to put together winning seasons with less talent than a big ben, or a bus, or a fast willie parker, or a polamalu or a joey porter or a hines ward etc.
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| | | Posted Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:27 AM | |
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| | Also... FT is underrated, and DG is a good QB, give him a healthy line and he returns to 07 form IMO. We have SOME very very good players. But our best players are impacted by the losses at oline and the fact that we have no threat down the field. Fix those problems and all the offseason chest thumping holds water. To deny that is foolish. Just like if the Colts oline, clark, saturday, manning are all 100% healthy, you guys blow your opponents out of the first two games.
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| | | Posted Sunday, September 21, 2008 12:28 AM | |
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| The Mad Dog (9/20/2008)
formercolts1 (9/19/2008)
I think JDR is safe either way. He just signed a big new contract in the offseason, and there is no way that Weaver will pay a coach to sit at home. I do think JDR has done less, with more, than alot of owners would tolerate.
What?!
I think you got that backwards...
JDR has done MORE with LESS than many coaches could have done in this situation.
Del Rio is hamstrung by a GM who's done a less than stellar job of infusing top talent in here over the past six seasons.
Del Rio doesn't have the luxury of having every first rounder be a home run like Dungy has with Polian making the selections.
I don't think Polian has ever missed on a first rounder for the Colts, and not only that, they are all impact players.
Compare that to Byron Leftwich with the 7th overall pick, Reggie freaking Williams with the 9th overall pick, Matt Jones & Marcedes Lewis with first rounders....
Then consider that Polian is also able to get pro bowl caliber players from late rounders/ undrafteds like Jeff Saturday and Antoine Bethea, for example.
You have no idea how much of a difference good personnel decisions make in a coaches' fate.
The Jaguars for the bulk of the pst 5+ seasons have been as successful as they have been, because of the leftover Coughlin talent, and good coaching.
What you are starting to see now with the Jaguars, is that even fewer of the Coughlin core remain/ and those that are still here like Taylor, are getting older. The Harris core of players isn't good enough to pick up the slack.
After tomorrow, the Jaguars will be 0-3 on their way to what will likely be a disastrous season. And the worse thing is, as long as they have James Harris in the position of selecting these players, there is no real hope for it getting any better. Polian blew it on former first round pick Rob Morris who was nothing more than a fill-in type LB. He also wasted a second round pick on Ben Hartsock. As for tomorrow the Jaguars might be 0-3 but I'm thinking they stick it down the throats of the Colts and edge out a win.
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| | | Posted Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:51 AM | |
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| JvilleJag2 (9/21/2008)
The Mad Dog (9/20/2008)
formercolts1 (9/19/2008)
I think JDR is safe either way. He just signed a big new contract in the offseason, and there is no way that Weaver will pay a coach to sit at home. I do think JDR has done less, with more, than alot of owners would tolerate.What?! I think you got that backwards... JDR has done MORE with LESS than many coaches could have done in this situation. Del Rio is hamstrung by a GM who's done a less than stellar job of infusing top talent in here over the past six seasons. Del Rio doesn't have the luxury of having every first rounder be a home run like Dungy has with Polian making the selections. I don't think Polian has ever missed on a first rounder for the Colts, and not only that, they are all impact players. Compare that to Byron Leftwich with the 7th overall pick, Reggie freaking Williams with the 9th overall pick, Matt Jones & Marcedes Lewis with first rounders.... Then consider that Polian is also able to get pro bowl caliber players from late rounders/ undrafteds like Jeff Saturday and Antoine Bethea, for example. You have no idea how much of a difference good personnel decisions make in a coaches' fate. The Jaguars for the bulk of the pst 5+ seasons have been as successful as they have been, because of the leftover Coughlin talent, and good coaching. What you are starting to see now with the Jaguars, is that even fewer of the Coughlin core remain/ and those that are still here like Taylor, are getting older. The Harris core of players isn't good enough to pick up the slack. After tomorrow, the Jaguars will be 0-3 on their way to what will likely be a disastrous season. And the worse thing is, as long as they have James Harris in the position of selecting these players, there is no real hope for it getting any better. Polian blew it on former first round pick Rob Morris who was nothing more than a fill-in type LB. He also wasted a second round pick on Ben Hartsock. As for tomorrow the Jaguars might be 0-3 but I'm thinking they stick it down the throats of the Colts and edge out a win. Morris was a waste till we finally figured out where he should play. He repalcing Gilbert Gardner finally right before the Bengals MNF game at the end of 2006 was a key reason our defense got better and we won the SB. Gardner was horrible and never tackled anyone. Worst LB I swear ever........poor guy. |
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| Kane (9/21/2008)
XLIColts (9/20/2008)
Kane (9/20/2008)
yeh the browns and bengals and ravens never gave MUCH competition from the steelers except maybe one year for each team. JDR never got the awesome players that burgh did. I don't know if I would compare JDR and Cowher as similar. I do however think JDR is a great coach. And the team has gotten better with him and his coaching staff. I don't bash the FO or anything, I get tired of hearing TMD talk about it, but at some point you do you have to wonder if the GM will be heading for the door. Maybe hand that stuff over to JDR... or bring in someone else. I don't know.... but it is like Vic says.. Players not plays..... We have some really good talent on this team... but I don't know how many GREAT players we have. 4 maybe 5? None of them being wr's... JDR can't do it all. I don't think his job is in Jeopardy until he has multiple losing seasons or he has all the talent (and healthy) to go to the superbowl and doesnt capitalize. The time period in question is from 1992 to 1997 for Cowher and the "Ravens" only existed for one of those years, called the Browns before that. The divisions they played in weren't too bad with old Cleveland and Houston (now Tennessee) each posting ten win seasons during the time, Houston actually won a division title one year, and your own Jaguars were actually in the same division with them in 1996 and 1997 and were not that bad. One year the division had four out of five teams at .500 or above with Pitt winning the division. Maybe it is the drafting and the GM, but then all I read on here is how Fred Taylor is so underrated and should be in the HOF and how great DG was last year and how he deserved his big contract and should have made the Pro Bowl. The fans obviously think there is SOME talent and the defense is pretty good. The huge gap is at WR. I didnt see where anyone limited the time period. It was just comparing coach to coach. Cowher coached up until 2006? But yes the divisions were different early on, either way the Browns havent ever been great in that time that I can remember. And I never was the one actually comparing the two coaches. My only point was that JDR has had more competition and less talent than I believe Cowher had, and also that his job won't be on the line for a long while. I was one who loved them being aggressive and going after harvey in the draft. I just don't know if it is going to work out like they wanted. I was pretty sure depth on oline was a problem before the draft, it was stated as being a need and we didn't address it, and we didn't address WR because we didn't have much to choose from? Well... I sure woulda liked to get ahold of DeSean Jackson that is for sure. The drafting has been horrible, I won't be calling for a GMs head myself, but JDR has managed to put together winning seasons with less talent than a big ben, or a bus, or a fast willie parker, or a polamalu or a joey porter or a hines ward etc. I was comparing JDR to Cowher in their first six seasons. I have heard some commentators, not just people on here, talk about how great it was to stick with Cowher until he won a SB. If you look at his record, though, he was consistently successful from the very beginning, winning division titles and playoff games even early on. At the time he took over the team, they had not had a 10 win season in the prior 9 years and they had little playoff success in the 1980s. He was not taking over the Steelers dynasty of the 1970s. They started winning right away, though. And the first few years he had one HOFer in Rod Woodson on D and guys like Barry foster, Yancy Thigpen and Neil ODonnel on offense. Thats enough about Cowher, though. I guess ultimately the question is how long are you willing to wait until JDR produces a division title or a DEEP playoff run (meaning making it to the conference champipnship round at least)? I guess the answer from most fans is as long as it takes until he gets more talent on the team. |
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