| | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 3:08 PM | |
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| | I tend to agree with most of that. My view is/ was completely hypothetical and they'd likely have to go 6-10 this season to get guys like Maclin and Davis in the first two rounds. If Walker and Williamson work out fine then I agree a receiver mid rounds might be good enough. I am assuming though that Jones won't be resigned and it's difficult to tell if Williamson will be on the roster all season considering they'll probably have to carry 6 WR's at some point to make that happen. I like Williamson, but he's kind of in the same boat as Broussard which is if he isn't solidly making the roster odds are he isn't going to be considered a major fixture and with the condition of the WR's they already have in regards to injuries I think WR should be in focus first round if a top quality receiver falls to them first round. 8 or 9 teams can draft OT's first round, but I also think 8 or 9 teams would be justified in drafting WR's first round which might create a shortage of talent in later rounds. The overall wealth of the draft at the WR position at this point seems to rely heavily on underclassmen declaring for the draft, which is still a question mark. I'd say the same thing about a RB because it appears widely rumored by some posters on this board who are usually quite close to the money on team related topics that Taylor will retire after the 2009 season and if memory serves me correct MJD will be a free agent. If I could secure a guy I think could fill that void and secure the position I'd rather go for him first or second round more so than an OT because there also seems to be good depth at OT in the draft and Jacksonville didn't draft most of their OT's they have on the roster. I'd also agree, though, that the jury is still out on Washington at RB so if he stays on the roster Jacksonville could wait til Taylor actually retires to draft a RB which would free up that draft slot for a position like OT. |
| | | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 5:04 PM | |
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| So let me get this straight. We resign Khaliff Barnes to a $26 million contract, then draft an OT in the first round, who we also have to pay big bucks, just to sit on the bench? Okay, I'm not Mr. Draftwizard, but that sounds a little odd to me. It is hard to predict what our major needs may be for next year, but if we resign Barnes to a big contract, it won't be OT. Injuries and who gets resigned out of Meester, Barnes, Peterson and Reggie Williams will determine the target position in the first round next year. It may truly be a BAP year.
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| | | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 6:11 PM | |
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| | I do NOT think it is a good idea to start a rookie at the OLT position if there is a reasonable alternative available. I do think that Khalif Barnes is an adequate NFL OLT, he just is NOT an ELITE OLT. I think that Richard Collier is NOT an adequate NFL OLT. Accordingly, I recommend that the Jags offer Khalif Barnes a contract roughly equivalent to what the Jags paid Tony Pashos. If the Jags can sign Khalif to a 4 year deal, that means Khalif will have another opportunity for another big payday in three or four years. If the Jags can draft a rookie OLT in Rd 1 and allow him to develop for a couple of seasons, then when the Jags want him to take over for Khalif, he will be ready and the Jags don't have to pay Khalif for the final year of his contract. In the meantime, should Khalif or Pashos get injured, the rookie OLT would be the primary backup to both, allowing the team to release or trade Richard Collier. To me this should be the plan. I suggest offering Reggie Williams a hometown discount contract of 4 years 10 Mil with 5 Mil guaranteed. I suggest that the team offer Mike Peterson a slightly below market contract say like 3 years 10 Mil, with 6 Mil guaranteed. I suggest that the Jags offer Brad Meester a slightly below average contract say like 3 years 10 Mil, with 6 Mil guaranteed. |
| | | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 6:52 PM | |
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| Stigma, what about Gerald Sensabaugh and Scotty Starks, who are both UFA's at the end of the year, and I would think MoJo will be getting an extension this off-season too because next year would be his contract year
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| | | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 7:04 PM | |
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| .JagMan. (8/29/2008) Stigma, what about Gerald Sensabaugh and Scotty Starks, who are both UFA's at the end of the year, and I would think MoJo will be getting an extension this off-season too because next year would be his contract yearI would like to sign them both. |
| | | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 7:06 PM | |
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| Stigma (8/29/2008)
.JagMan. (8/29/2008) Stigma, what about Gerald Sensabaugh and Scotty Starks, who are both UFA's at the end of the year, and I would think MoJo will be getting an extension this off-season too because next year would be his contract yearI would like to sign them both. I completely agree
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| | | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 9:18 PM | |
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| Stigma (8/29/2008) To me this should be the plan.
I suggest offering Reggie Williams a hometown discount contract of 4 years10 Mil with 5 Mil guaranteed.
I suggest that the team offer Mike Peterson a slightly below market contract say like 3 years 10 Mil, with 6 Mil guaranteed.
I suggest that the Jags offer Brad Meester a slightly below average contract say like 3 years 10 Mil, with 6 Mil guaranteed.
I think you are WAY off in the value of contracts nowadays.
Williams would probably get something similar to Bernard Berrian on the market. Berrian got a 6/$36 mil deal; I don't see why Williams, who is younger and has been better over the course of his career, would get less than that. I think 5/$32 mil is about right for Williams.
Antonio Pierce seems like a good comparison to Mike Peterson at this point. Pierce is in the middle of a 6/$26 mil contract ($4.5 mil a year), but is unhappy with his deal. I think Peterson will likely be looking at something like $5.5 or $6 mil a year. I'd say 3/$16 mil sounds about right.
Meester's deal might be about right...that's similar to what Mawae is making in TEN. I don't think there's any way the first two deals would even be accepted as offers; the agents would probably laugh and tell them to come back with a real offer.
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| | | Posted Friday, August 29, 2008 9:37 PM | |
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| Jagifornia (8/29/2008)
Stigma (8/29/2008) To me this should be the plan.
I suggest offering Reggie Williams a hometown discount contract of 4 years10 Mil with 5 Mil guaranteed.
I suggest that the team offer Mike Peterson a slightly below market contract say like 3 years 10 Mil, with 6 Mil guaranteed.
I suggest that the Jags offer Brad Meester a slightly below average contract say like 3 years 10 Mil, with 6 Mil guaranteed.I think you are WAY off in the value of contracts nowadays. Williams would probably get something similar to Bernard Berrian on the market. Berrian got a 6/$36 mil deal; I don't see why Williams, who is younger and has been better over the course of his career, would get less than that. I think 5/$32 mil is about right for Williams. Antonio Pierce seems like a good comparison to Mike Peterson at this point. Pierce is in the middle of a 6/$26 mil contract ($4.5 mil a year), but is unhappy with his deal. I think Peterson will likely be looking at something like $5.5 or $6 mil a year. I'd say 3/$16 mil sounds about right. Meester's deal might be about right...that's similar to what Mawae is making in TEN. I don't think there's any way the first two deals would even be accepted as offers; the agents would probably laugh and tell them to come back with a real offer. Unless Reggie Williams has a MONSTER year, there is NO WAY the Jags will pay him 6 Mil per season. In fact, I seriously doubt that any team in the league will pay Reggie that kind of money. Reggie is NOT a No.1 WR by any stretch. He is an adequate No. 2 WR but nothing more. If he wants big money he is in for a rude awakening. Mike Peterson probably would like 5 or 6 Mil per season which is why I think the Jags will allow him to test the market, but in the end, he will not find a better deal than what the Jags will offer. |
| | | Posted Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:39 AM | |
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| Stigma.. it's not about his production necessarily.. it's about contracts today.
He will get a lot more than the peanuts you're suggesting.
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| | | Posted Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:43 AM | |
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| TheSpacePope (8/30/2008) Stigma.. it's not about his production necessarily.. it's about contracts today.
He will get a lot more than the peanuts you're suggesting.Perhaps, or perhaps not. I think we are beginning to see the Jags starting to toe the line with rising salaries. If Mike Walker develops as envisioned then Reggie Williams may be allowed to leave. Similarly if Justin Durant develops as envisioned then Mike Peterson may be allowed to leave. I know this much, Reggie Williams does NOT deserve 6 Mil per season type money. |
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