The Mad Dog (7/21/2008)

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FBT (7/21/2008)

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The Mad Dog (7/21/2008)

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Yeah, and you conveniently use SI's mock draft as "credible' here, only to bash SI any time they come out with anything negative regarding the Jags.

Heck, I'm surprised you didn't cite an ESPN mock draft while you're at it.

Brian Smith -was- injured, so it doesn't natter where he could have been drafted if healthy.

Scott Starks had speed but was undersized and did almost NOTHING his entire college career in terms of big plays. Scott Starks projected as a nickel back. Not a full time starter. You should be able to find a capable nickel back in the latter rounds of the draft. Incidently as an example, look at this year - we got Trae Williams in the 5th round....that is actually decent value. If you are taking a CB in the 3rd round, he best project to a potential future starter. Scottt Starks did not.

Thomas Williams runs the 40 clocked by a sundial. No team was going to take him until the 7th round at the earliest. We take him in the high 5th....

Thud.

I didn't use SI.  Try again.

Brian Smith WAS injured and was still projected as a 2nd day pick.  Where'd the Jags draft him again?  According to you, he was projected to go undrafted.  Unfortunately, I found a source that disputed you completely. 

Gotta love it how you try to discredit the scouting info on these players when it exposes you for the joke that you are...again. 

Interesting that you continue to evade the question about "several rounds later" and how you plucked that from your wallowed posterior and then didn't back it up with anything factual. 

All 3 of those players were projected to go several rounds later by mocks drafts that I saw. I misspoke involving Reggie in that category, but he was overdrafted as he should have been selected in the mid-late 1st rather than being a top 10 pick. Just because you found a mock draft that supports your take don't mean squat. There were like 50 different mock drafts. But I admit that that also doesn't necessarily help me in my case either as I could also cherry pick the mock drafts that favor my side of the argument.

All you really have to do to see Starks was overdrafted though is to see that he was never going to be anything more than the regular nickel back. IMO, with a pick as high as a first day pick, which Starks was, you must get a player that at least projects as a future starter - doesn't mean he has to start immediately, but at least have the build/ talent/ production to be able to be a regular starter down the line.

Smith was damaged goods. I can understand the upside angle - but that was highly unlikely given the injury. Again, given the fact that the Jags were not a SB team or of that level, we cannot be taking those kinda chances with selections that high. Had we drafted a guy like Brian Smith in the 6th/ 7th round, I would have had no issue. The value of the pick has to be factored in when making these kind of decisions. 

Regarding Thomas Williams....I think you could outrun him in the 40. Enuff said.

Why can't you ever consider an opposing point of view? The Jags aren't perfect you know - if they were, we'd have SB titles under this regime by now. So, why must you everytime give them the benefit of the doubt? Don't they need to "earn" that first? IMO, they "earn" that kinda benefit of doubt when thry win something of substance, not just a bunch of regular season games.

Again with the "several rounds later" crap.  Yet you bring nothing to support that.  The three players you mentioned?  There were 4.  And in each case, I debunked your argument with actual mock draft and scouting comments.  You conveniently reduced it to 3 players after I hammered you on the fact that.

Smith's injury isn't a career ender.  It was a fractured hip.  He simply didn't put the effort into his rehab and the team was done waiting.  Had he followed the regimen and stuck to it, he would have been on the field competing for a shot at legitimate playing time this year.  He chose a different path.  Again, he was a projected 2nd day pick and that's precisely where he landed. 

Starks was projected as a late 3rd or early 4th round prospect.  You downplay that because he was overdrafted if all he was going to be was a nickel back.  What division do we play in?  You do understand that the nickel is on the field nearly 60% of the time, right, whimp?  In other words, he'd almost be a third starter in this defense.   

You keep fixating on Thomas Williams.  He was projected to be a 2nd day pick, and that's precisely what he wound up being.  You're getting yourself worked up over a 5th round pick acting as if this is somehow the round where the high impact hall of fame caliber starters are discovered.  You've been reduced to whining about 5th rounders as you flail away endlessly.  It's pathetic.

I don't have a problem with educated opposing points of view.  You simply don't bring that.  ANy time you spew your bile here, it's tainted by your hatred for Shack Harris.  That has been exposed repeatedly, even on this very thread.  So, it comes as no surprise that I would give your point of view very little credibility.  You pluck stuff out of thin air based on your own ignorance, and then act as if you're the only person with an objective point of view  The reality is, you're nothing but a clueless little whiner.

Voted the #1 A-Hole on Jaguars.com Never argue with idіots. They drag you down to their level, & beat you with experience.

Bo Jackson's career ended as a result of avascular necrosis of the hip.  He didn't fracture his hip.  He dislocated it.  It was discovered that he had the degenerative disease at that point.  The disease cuts off the blood supply to the joint.  The damage caused by the lack of blood supply to that hip forced him to have joint replacement surgery. 

That wasn't the case with Smith. 

I think Donovin Darius suffered a fractured hip during his career similar to the one that Smith sustained and he rebounded just fine.  Why?  Because he worked his tail off to get back on the field.  He suffered no residuals from that injury.

Voted the #1 A-Hole on Jaguars.com Never argue with idіots. They drag you down to their level, & beat you with experience.

The Mad Dog (7/21/2008)

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Yeah, and you conveniently use SI's mock draft as "credible' here, only to bash SI any time they come out with anything negative regarding the Jags.

Heck, I'm surprised you didn't cite an ESPN mock draft while you're at it.

Brian Smith -was- injured, so it doesn't natter where he could have been drafted if healthy.

Scott Starks had speed but was undersized and did almost NOTHING his entire college career in terms of big plays. Scott Starks projected as a nickel back. Not a full time starter. You should be able to find a capable nickel back in the latter rounds of the draft. Incidently as an example, look at this year - we got Trae Williams in the 5th round....that is actually decent value. If you are taking a CB in the 3rd round, he best project to a potential future starter. Scottt Starks did not.

Thomas Williams runs the 40 clocked by a sundial. No team was going to take him until the 7th round at the earliest. We take him in the high 5th....

Scott Starks won the 2004-05 Pontiac Game Changing Play of the Year when he took a Kyle Orton fumble to the house. He is and has always been a big play guy. 

TMD on Mike Walker Sep.7: "because he stinks" "Why don't you get it? WTH has this player done, besides be an OTA wonder?" "In the exhibition games, he's shown eggo hands." "It's like you people are truly shocked/ mystified/ surprised that Harris produced another bust." FREE JAGSTUNNA!!!!!! PRAISE MOD

He out ran the whole Purdue offense in a critical point in the game.  That's "big game" enough for me

TMD on Mike Walker Sep.7: "because he stinks" "Why don't you get it? WTH has this player done, besides be an OTA wonder?" "In the exhibition games, he's shown eggo hands." "It's like you people are truly shocked/ mystified/ surprised that Harris produced another bust." FREE JAGSTUNNA!!!!!! PRAISE MOD

Its Meier Time (7/21/2008)

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The Mad Dog (7/21/2008)

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Yeah, and you conveniently use SI's mock draft as "credible' here, only to bash SI any time they come out with anything negative regarding the Jags.

Heck, I'm surprised you didn't cite an ESPN mock draft while you're at it.

Brian Smith -was- injured, so it doesn't natter where he could have been drafted if healthy.

Scott Starks had speed but was undersized and did almost NOTHING his entire college career in terms of big plays. Scott Starks projected as a nickel back. Not a full time starter. You should be able to find a capable nickel back in the latter rounds of the draft. Incidently as an example, look at this year - we got Trae Williams in the 5th round....that is actually decent value. If you are taking a CB in the 3rd round, he best project to a potential future starter. Scottt Starks did not.

Thomas Williams runs the 40 clocked by a sundial. No team was going to take him until the 7th round at the earliest. We take him in the high 5th....

Scott Starks won the 2004-05 Pontiac Game Changing Play of the Year when he took a Kyle Orton fumble to the house. He is and has always been a big play guy. 

In very little playing time Starks has taken a int to the house and almost took a punt to the house.  He can be a big play guy if given the chance.

"I'm only here to do two things, kick some *** and drink some beer. Looks like we're almost out of beer."- Clint Dazed and Confused "The daddy say that he don't like my ways, probably 'cause I hit it three times today, dropped her off late with a sticky face, so a kiss on the cheek is your mistake." -Shwayze LOL High Together

And who should have the Jaguars found to replace Mike P?

Well, of course they should have drafted Odell Thurman.

The world according to the chihuahua. 

Kevin from Orange Park, FL: What’s your reaction to Hines Ward breaking rookie LB Keith Rivers’ jaw? STEELER VIC:  Fine him? They should pin a medal on him. 10/21/2008 Classy.