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| jagutopia (7/16/2008)
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It's an interesting question, so I will try to refrain from flaming it too much. Instead, I will ask you this. Do you have tickets? If you do, it really should be a non-issue. In reality, blackouts will only do 2 things. 1. Keep those in the local viewing area who couldn't/wouldn't go to the game from seeing it on tv. 2. Give the national hacks something to take jabs at Jacksonville about, but they'll always find something anyway. But back to my main point, if you have your tickets and are already at the games, why would you care if someone who chose not to go can see it anyway? ***Third party comment here*** I do want everyone to see all the games... I know that some choose not to go for whatever reason, but most simply can't, or just aren't into attending games in person even though they may be big fans. The couple of games last year that were blacked out were great games... A couple of Fred's huge runs were in those games... Every Jaguars fan should have been able to see that... There should be more than enough fans that are willing / capable / want to buy enough tix to sell the place out, thus avoiding blackouts, without having to chastise those that can't afford / don't want to attend... I know way too many huge Jaguars fans with families / obligations / simply can't afford to go to the games to not want any and all Jags fans to see the games without having to be there... My point in case, last year I bought a third ticket, just to 'support' the team, and most of the time, it was a struggle trying to find someone to use the third ticket... I know, I know: You didn't call me! Whatever, at the time, it was hard to find one of my friends that were available... Not everyone can make it, even with a free ticket... Trust me, I wasn't chastising anyone. Just questioning why the rules should be different. Most teams would never even entertain this discussion. Jacksonville has a team that should not EVER, EVER, EVER be associated with blackouts. But they do. I am just of the opinion that if Jacksonville want's to ensure the long term viability of the Jaguars in this city, it is then time to put on the big boy pants and do it ourselves. Us, the people of this town. That continues to be my wish. And you're exactly right, and I didn't mean to imply that you were attempting to put anyone down, I know you weren't; I myself have in the past, and have learned from that, obviously, and moved on... I hope this season catapults us out of this "...will the tickets be sold in time?" headache...
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| | | Posted Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:56 PM | |
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| DAVEPDB2 (7/16/2008)
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jagutopia (7/16/2008)
It's an interesting question, so I will try to refrain from flaming it too much. Instead, I will ask you this. Do you have tickets? If you do, it really should be a non-issue. In reality, blackouts will only do 2 things. 1. Keep those in the local viewing area who couldn't/wouldn't go to the game from seeing it on tv. 2. Give the national hacks something to take jabs at Jacksonville about, but they'll always find something anyway. But back to my main point, if you have your tickets and are already at the games, why would you care if someone who chose not to go can see it anyway? ***Third party comment here*** I do want everyone to see all the games... I know that some choose not to go for whatever reason, but most simply can't, or just aren't into attending games in person even though they may be big fans. The couple of games last year that were blacked out were great games... A couple of Fred's huge runs were in those games... Every Jaguars fan should have been able to see that... There should be more than enough fans that are willing / capable / want to buy enough tix to sell the place out, thus avoiding blackouts, without having to chastise those that can't afford / don't want to attend... I know way too many huge Jaguars fans with families / obligations / simply can't afford to go to the games to not want any and all Jags fans to see the games without having to be there... My point in case, last year I bought a third ticket, just to 'support' the team, and most of the time, it was a struggle trying to find someone to use the third ticket... I know, I know: You didn't call me! Whatever, at the time, it was hard to find one of my friends that were available... Not everyone can make it, even with a free ticket... Trust me, I wasn't chastising anyone. Just questioning why the rules should be different. Most teams would never even entertain this discussion. Jacksonville has a team that should not EVER, EVER, EVER be associated with blackouts. But they do. I am just of the opinion that if Jacksonville want's to ensure the long term viability of the Jaguars in this city, it is then time to put on the big boy pants and do it ourselves. Us, the people of this town. That continues to be my wish. And you're exactly right, and I didn't mean to imply that you were attempting to put anyone down, I know you weren't; I myself have in the past, and have learned from that, obviously, and moved on... I hope this season catapults us out of this "...will the tickets be sold in time?" headache... How true. I really don't even like talking about it anymore.
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| jagutopia (7/16/2008)
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jagutopia (7/16/2008)
It's an interesting question, so I will try to refrain from flaming it too much. Instead, I will ask you this. Do you have tickets? If you do, it really should be a non-issue. In reality, blackouts will only do 2 things. 1. Keep those in the local viewing area who couldn't/wouldn't go to the game from seeing it on tv. 2. Give the national hacks something to take jabs at Jacksonville about, but they'll always find something anyway. But back to my main point, if you have your tickets and are already at the games, why would you care if someone who chose not to go can see it anyway? ***Third party comment here*** I do want everyone to see all the games... I know that some choose not to go for whatever reason, but most simply can't, or just aren't into attending games in person even though they may be big fans. The couple of games last year that were blacked out were great games... A couple of Fred's huge runs were in those games... Every Jaguars fan should have been able to see that... There should be more than enough fans that are willing / capable / want to buy enough tix to sell the place out, thus avoiding blackouts, without having to chastise those that can't afford / don't want to attend... I know way too many huge Jaguars fans with families / obligations / simply can't afford to go to the games to not want any and all Jags fans to see the games without having to be there... My point in case, last year I bought a third ticket, just to 'support' the team, and most of the time, it was a struggle trying to find someone to use the third ticket... I know, I know: You didn't call me! Whatever, at the time, it was hard to find one of my friends that were available... Not everyone can make it, even with a free ticket... Trust me, I wasn't chastising anyone. Just questioning why the rules should be different. Most teams would never even entertain this discussion. Jacksonville has a team that should not EVER, EVER, EVER be associated with blackouts. But they do. I am just of the opinion that if Jacksonville want's to ensure the long term viability of the Jaguars in this city, it is then time to put on the big boy pants and do it ourselves. Us, the people of this town. That continues to be my wish. And you're exactly right, and I didn't mean to imply that you were attempting to put anyone down, I know you weren't; I myself have in the past, and have learned from that, obviously, and moved on... I hope this season catapults us out of this "...will the tickets be sold in time?" headache... How true. I really don't even like talking about it anymore. Talking about waht? 
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| Juztbecawz (7/16/2008)
I personally think that 2000 or less remaining Non-premium seatsby Friday at 9:00 pm would be a fair rule to lift a black-out.
What sucks is seeing the stadium full on a Blacked-outSunday, knowing that all the other fans and "possible" fans are missing out. This seems to be the theme with the Blackouts we have had. Some People in this city just buy the day of the event and the NFL already shows a little flexability with extensions.
Who would lobby this rule change? Owners or Commercial Sponsors?
I know some will just say, buy season tickets. And I agree.
If the rule were to be changed, I think it should be amount of tickets sold... Add up the non-premium seating capacity of all the NFL stadiums, divide it by 32, and that's the number you have to sell by whatever the deadline is on Thurs...
I'm a bit too lazy to do the math, but the only snag I see in this scenario is a stadium or two may hold less than the median, so they'd still be forced to 'sell out.'
Under those set of circumstances, no one would really be able to complain about stadium size being an issue any longer. If the NFL really wanted to go crazy, they could average in market size versus capacity, and a number of other issues to REALLY even things out.
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| | or we could just sell the **** tickets |
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| DAVEPDB2 (7/16/2008)
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It's an interesting question, so I will try to refrain from flaming it too much. Instead, I will ask you this. Do you have tickets? If you do, it really should be a non-issue. In reality, blackouts will only do 2 things. 1. Keep those in the local viewing area who couldn't/wouldn't go to the game from seeing it on tv. 2. Give the national hacks something to take jabs at Jacksonville about, but they'll always find something anyway. But back to my main point, if you have your tickets and are already at the games, why would you care if someone who chose not to go can see it anyway? ***Third party comment here*** I do want everyone to see all the games... I know that some choose not to go for whatever reason, but most simply can't, or just aren't into attending games in person even though they may be big fans. The couple of games last year that were blacked out were great games... A couple of Fred's huge runs were in those games... Every Jaguars fan should have been able to see that... There should be more than enough fans that are willing / capable / want to buy enough tix to sell the place out, thus avoiding blackouts, without having to chastise those that can't afford / don't want to attend... I know way too many huge Jaguars fans with families / obligations / simply can't afford to go to the games to not want any and all Jags fans to see the games without having to be there... My point in case, last year I bought a third ticket, just to 'support' the team, and most of the time, it was a struggle trying to find someone to use the third ticket... I know, I know: You didn't call me! Whatever, at the time, it was hard to find one of my friends that were available... Not everyone can make it, even with a free ticket... Whether you're a player or a fan, the same thing applies. The NFL is a privilege, not a right. I don't think the league needs to tinker with the blackout rules at all. Either they exist or they don't. There should be no need to tweak them. If we're 2000 short of the target, we're 2000 short and the game is blacked out. Simple as that. They're not going to modify the rules to say "well, you almost got there, so we'll let you televise the game. " The blackout rules have been in place for more than 30 years. Are they outdated? Absolutley. But, when I say they're outdated, I mean that from the perspective that they're unnecessary all together. Not that they need to be modified. When the rules were put in place, they were intended to help owners augment their bottom line by assuring that tickets were sold. Well, tickets are no longer the primary source of revenues for teams. Television contracts and licensing are. So, blackout rules are obsolete. Ditch them, or leave them the way that they are. Don't tweak them.
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| Ditch them. No other pro sport has them but football . They are outdated and the original purpose is no longer valid. I don't it would effect our walk up crowd one bit.
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| | I think itd be interesting to know how many people buy a ticket in fear of a blackout that wouldnt otherwise normally do so. are we talking 5000+ or more like a 1000 or more like 500? I understand the reason for the blackout rule. And I can understand why owners dont want to give away their product for free. But for a team like the Jaguars, part of me wonders if thats the best strategy. This is a team that has struggled to fill the stadium for 10 years now with good and bad teams. we cant even fill it with tarps covering seats. and we could barely sell it out last year late in the season when we were obviously a playoff caliber team. and as those who go to the games can attest, when we do sell out, a large thanks should go to the opposing teams fans. its not like we have tons of fans who are just avoiding the games because the team is losing or some other reason. this is a team that just lacks fans period. so how is blacking out the games gonna help fix that problem? especially in the markets outside jacksonville proper that probably arent inundated with jaguar coverage like we are. I want to relate it to a new musical group. when they are first starting out, what do they do? theyll play a concert and then hand out free CDs. their whole goal is to be seen and heard. to get their name out. to grow in popularity. A group like Metallica can afford to fight the free swapping of online music, but when they were first starting out, they were giving away their music just like everyone else. why? to get their name out. what better advertising is there? if you want to relate it to sports, look at the Atlanta Braves. Having their games being shown on TBS increased their popularity tenfold. So thats why I think itd be interesting to know how much money the Jags pull in due blacking out a game. how many more tickets are bought that wouldnt have? how do the concessions sales change? There is no better advertising for the Jags than to have their games on TV. and I wonder how much they gain when they choose to take them off.
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| JRD (7/16/2008)
Ditch them. No other pro sport has them but football. They are outdated and the original purpose is no longer valid. I don't it would effect our walk up crowd one bit.
Every major sport including college football has blackout rules, just not as restrictive as the NFL's, and most are dependent on the television contract that they have with local and major networks.
For instance.. FOX is the only network allowed to show baseball games nationally from 3:55 - 7. So if your team is not playing on Fox on Saturday, you are SOL even if you have the baseball package.
Blackout rule is going to go away in the future because game will most likely be shown on Pay-per-view like everything else.
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