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| Josh83 (7/10/2008)
BJORN TOURAQUE (7/10/2008)
If we are in jeopardy then so is KC, Buffalo, New Orleans, Carolina, Tennessee, Green Bay.
Why? They are all small market teams.
Question: After LA is filled, what big market is left?
Answer: None.
Why is it that this Jacksonville franchise isthe ONLY team in danger of moving, according to the media? Official attendance records?
What makes Buffalo less succesuptable than us? Nothing.
New Orleans? Katrina. That public sympathywon't last forever.
Carolina and Tennessee? PSL's. Those won't last forever. Eventually, the empty seat cost will outweigh the cost of the original PSL.
Green Bay? City taxes won't support it for another 20 year loser.
Stop crapping your pants, people!The logic behind your post is ridiculous for so many reasons.
Anyway, we all know that 13 years is plenty of time for us to prove we deserve this team and we haven't done it. I can't blame Weaver one bit for wanting to sell the team. If anything, he had every reason to sell it years ago and we're lucky we've gotten as long as we have with this team. We can't sellout. We can't even get a sponsor, which is completely sad. The owners of every team have a big influence on a team moving, because they will all get more money, so you know they will encourage a move in every way. Anybody, who is relying on this potential buyer having know ties to LA is an . He has no ties to Jax either! If you had no tie to either but were a billionaire who had to pick one, which would it be? Any person who whines about any of this rumor and does NOT have season tickets should be punched in the face. Also, NO, and I repeat, NO other stories about the sale and move of the team have EVER had this much detail. So nobody should be blowing this story off. I've got so much more, but I'm tired. Rant over! The logic is sound. LA is the one market that offers a huge population and has no NFL franchise. The first team to lock in there will help ensure that the rest of the teams in jeopardy will stay put. If the Jags sell soon, it could be them.
The bills will always have Toronto to worry about.
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| | | Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:19 AM | |
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| rollin thunder (7/10/2008)
man if they get sold imma be so pissed! i just got my tickets ,i would never of bought them had i known it was possible for the team to get sold!
i can only guess in this case all refund demands will be refused if a deal does happen!
and if it does happen i hope weaver cant step foot in a resturaunt without having to check his food for surprises!
i thank the Mr.weaver for bringing a home team,but if a deal goes down that, love will turn to hate!  In my humble opinion, this is not an excellent post.
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| | | Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:23 AM | |
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| BJORN TOURAQUE (7/10/2008)
If we are in jeopardy then so is KC, Buffalo, New Orleans, Carolina, Tennessee, Green Bay.
Why? They are all small market teams.
Question: After LA is filled, what big market is left?
Answer: None.
Why is it that this Jacksonville franchise isthe ONLY team in danger of moving, according to the media? Official attendance records?
What makes Buffalo less succesuptable than us? Nothing.
New Orleans? Katrina. That public sympathywon't last forever.
Carolina and Tennessee? PSL's. Those won't last forever. Eventually, the empty seat cost will outweigh the cost of the original PSL.
Green Bay? City taxes won't support it for another 20 year loser.
Stop crapping your pants, people!
Green Bay can't move without approval by the "shareholders" since those are all fans, they aren' going anywhere.
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| | | Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:39 AM | |
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| rnroutlaw (7/9/2008)
errdisable (7/9/2008)
Hicken had a good point - WW is 73 years old and his kids have expressed no interest in keeping the team in the family. It will be sold at some point in the not too distant future. Can only hope new owners want to keep it here.Odd. Every interview and quote I've ever read was that Weaver wants to keep the team here and pass it along as a family dynasty type thing. This could have changed but that is what is said in everything I've read from Weavers mouth for years. The problem with leaving it to your heirs is the inheritance tax they would have to pay. If the team is valued at 800 million when Weaver passes away, it could trigger hundreds of millions in inheritance tax, which would force a sale anyway.
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| | | Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:43 AM | |
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| BUCKETHEAD (7/10/2008)
rollin thunder (7/10/2008)
man if they get sold imma be so pissed! i just got my tickets ,i would never of bought them had i known it was possible for the team to get sold!
i can only guess in this case all refund demands will be refused if a deal does happen!
and if it does happen i hope weaver cant step foot in a resturaunt without having to check his food for surprises!
i thank the Mr.weaver for bringing a home team,but if a deal goes down that, love will turn to hate! In my humble opinion, this is not an excellent post.
you must be from L.A.!
i dont like your attitude! so there! dont care what you have to say not even a little bit! dont care about your opinion!dont care about you!you could die in a hellfire ,i wouldnt even notice! im not day in day out on these forums!
see what happened was..I was watchin the news,didnt like what i woke up to! if a deal goes down i want my money back plain and simple!
so yea whatever dork! be a forum cridict,and realize you take pride in nothing that matters! and after your nerdgasm ,remember you can see the sun in jax! but,now i do hear the smog can be nice in L.A.!!
in my most humble opinion,this is a horrible post! BLAH  
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| | | Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:52 AM | |
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| | Someone correct me if I an wrong, but.. First Weaver has to decide to sell the team. Then he has to find a buyer. Then the buyer has to decide to move the team. And at the same time LA has to come up with a stadium (at a time when the taxpayers are not so inclined). Then the NFL has to approve the move. All that has to happen for the team to move. My question is, would the NFL approve the move? The LA market has been extremely valuable as a non-NFL city, because it is used by the owners as leverage against their cities to get stadium upgrades. If they actually put a team in LA, the teams that don't move to LA (31 of them) lose something: leverage. You know, it's possible that Weaver will sell the team, and the new owner will announce that he's staying in Jax. Then he will wait to see how LA does with the stadium issue, and how Jax does with ticket sales. I guess I am saying this will not be an instant process. It will all happen in slow motion.
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| | | Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:29 AM | |
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| ytraM (7/10/2008)
Someone correct me if I an wrong, but..
First Weaver has to decide to sell the team. Then he has to find a buyer. Then the buyer has to decide to move the team. And at the same time LA has to come up with a stadium (at a time when the taxpayers are not so inclined). Then the NFL has to approve the move. All that has to happen for the team to move.
My question is, would the NFL approve the move? The LA market has been extremely valuable as a non-NFL city, because it is used by the owners as leverage against their cities to get stadium upgrades. If they actually put a team in LA, the teams that don't move to LA (31 of them) lose something: leverage.
You know, it's possible that Weaver will sell the team, and the new owner will announce that he's staying in Jax. Then he will wait to see how LA does with the stadium issue, and how Jax does with ticket sales.
I guess I am saying this will not be an instant process. It will all happen in slow motion.
Goodell doesn't give a crap about LA.
That was Tagliabue's thing.
I'm pretty sure Goodell realizes the NFL in LA would fail. Again. It's had three chances.
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| rollin thunder (7/10/2008)
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rollin thunder (7/10/2008)
man if they get sold imma be so pissed! i just got my tickets ,i would never of bought them had i known it was possible for the team to get sold! i can only guess in this case all refund demands will be refused if a deal does happen! and if it does happen i hope weaver cant step foot in a resturaunt without having to check his food for surprises! i thank the Mr.weaver for bringing a home team,but if a deal goes down that, love will turn to hate! In my humble opinion, this is not an excellent post. you must be from L.A.! i dont like your attitude! so there! dont care what you have to say not even a little bit! dont care about your opinion!dont care about you!you could die in a hellfire ,i wouldnt even notice! im not day in day out on these forums! see what happened was..I was watchin the news,didnt like what i woke up to! if a deal goes down i want my money back plain and simple! so yea whatever dork! be a forum cridict,and realize you take pride in nothing that matters! and after your nerdgasm ,remember you can see the sun in jax! but,now i do hear the smog can be nice in L.A.!! in my most humble opinion,this is a horrible post! BLAH Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but if you're serious, well...you're a
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| | | Posted Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:13 AM | |
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| Regardless of whether the team moves to LA,
Weaver has to sell the team and he has to sell it now. Two reasons:
1) Capital gains taxes. Right now they are at a maximum of 15%. Regardless of who wins the White House, we will probably see capital gains taxes going up, in an effort the solve the federal government's deficit problems. That means if he delays a sale, it could cost him $100 million dollars in extra taxes that he would not have to pay if he sold the team NOW.
2) Inheritance taxes. If he keeps the team and passes it along to his heirs, his estate will owe massive estate taxes. That works fine if the estate has other assets that it can sell off, but I believe WW's assets are mostly tied up in this $800 million NFL team. So, even if he keeps the team, his heirs will be forced to sell it.
So, sell it now: 15% capital gains tax.
Sell it later: speculatively, up to 28% capital gains tax.
Leave it to heirs upon his death: up to 49% inheritance tax.
FIGURE IT OUT.
What can we do? Buy tickets, don't worry about things we can't control, and enjoy each day we have with our beloved team. As they say in LA, que sera sera.
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| Jags1984 (7/9/2008)
WW should sell a portion of the jags to the people of jax. Other teams have done it and people can buy a share of the team like a stock. I would do anything to help keep the jags and own a small share.
True! This would totally work....I mean, look at how well tickets sell. |
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