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| Jags02 (6/6/2008)
pirkster (6/6/2008)
FBT (6/6/2008)
Jagrams (6/6/2008)
From what I'm reading on the QB situation, should we be concerned with the backup? It sounds like they shouldn't have let our backup go. Yeah, I know it is only minicamp. It doesn't sound like Mathis is getting off to a good start either particularly since he was banged up last year. Del Rio was singing the praises of Daryl Smith this morning on the radio saying this should be a good year for him. Thanks for the recap. It's June. Let's not get too worried now. Let's see what happens when training camp starts. Even then, we're still talking about a backup QB. Agreed. But this certainly doesn't sit well with folks like me who didn't like the signing in the first place. Personally I would have rather had a more experienced veteran. I'm not going to throw Lemon any farther under the bus than I already have, but he's really got to show me something to prove to me it wasn't a bad move - and he's not necessarily getting of to a good start. Even so, I'll give him a pass (pun completely intended) for summer but I'll be eager to see what he offers this fall. It's only backup QB, but you never know. Sounds like Bouman wouldn't necessarily be a bad alternative, so I'm not "worried" per se. Lemon throws nice-looking, tight spirals from what I've seen, but he hasn't had all that much of a chance to get timing down with the receivers. This may be why he looks so sloppy this early, but is there more to it than that? What bugs me is Del Rio mentioning how he's not overly impressed with Lemon's arm. Knowing that they gave him a 4-year, $8 mil contract that included a $3 mil roster bonus, you'd like to know that he's at least as good as Quinn Gray who signed a minimal deal with the Texans. So far that doesn't look to be the case. I do think the Jaguars made a mistake by not giving Gray the contract they gave Lemon. I'd feel far more confortable know that if Garrard goes down, they still have Gray. But we can't keep saying "what if," and like FBT said, we're talking about the backup QB position. Lemon is a mobile QB with starting experience able to escape tricky situations even if it means throwing on the run. It bugs me to see him arm being questioned because I felt that was a strength of his. Watching him on film, it appeared his biggest weakness was making bad decisions resulting in INTs. That's still my fear with him. Should he come in, is he just going to throw INTs like he was so prone to do in Miami? Let me give you my impressions of Cleo Lemon. I think that he does have the arm strength to be an NFL QB. His problem is a mechanical problem that I feel certain will be addressed in Training Camp. From what I saw, Cleo Lemon has a tendency to throw flat footed using only his upper body as the means of propelling the ball downfield. Lemon also seems to have a tendency to jump up in the air to throw over incoming lineman. Again in jumping up in the air, he has nothing to push off of with his feet and his passes tend to sail. Lastly, I think that Cleo Lemon is thinking a bit too much in this mini-camp. In my mind he looks very much like David Garrard looked at last year's mini-camp, when David was a far cry from the QB he has become over the past year. I noticed that both Koetter and Shula were talking with Cleo Lemon between his turn to throw passes. I feel confident that if he follows their advice he will correct his technical hitches. |
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| | | Posted Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:21 AM | |
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| Stigma (6/7/2008)
I noticed that both Koetter and Shula were talking with Cleo Lemon between his turn to throw passes. I feel confident that if he follows their advice he will correct his technical hitches.I feel like this has to happen. When you factor in his $3 mil roster bonus, there's virtually no chance they cut him this year. At worst they keep him as the #3, but he almost has to be Garrard's primary backup given his contract. So, as Yoda might say, fix him they must.
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| | | Posted Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:21 AM | |
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| FBT (6/6/2008)
Steiny (6/6/2008)
FBT & Su héroe,I'm jealous of you guys! I've enjoyed reading FBT's practice recaps for a while now, going back to last year's training camp. Now Su héroe has gotten into the act too. Are you guys retired or maybe self-employed so you can make your own hours? Sure I could manage to get to an occasional training camp practice, but you guys seem to be able to make it to a lot of them. Please keep the recaps coming. -Steiny Way too young for retirement, and I'm not self-employed. If my boss asks, I'm suffering from the teal flu. Yea that's real obvious!!! 
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| | | Posted Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:31 PM | |
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| Jags02 (6/6/2008)
pirkster (6/6/2008)
FBT (6/6/2008)
Jagrams (6/6/2008)
From what I'm reading on the QB situation, should we be concerned with the backup? It sounds like they shouldn't have let our backup go. Yeah, I know it is only minicamp. It doesn't sound like Mathis is getting off to a good start either particularly since he was banged up last year. Del Rio was singing the praises of Daryl Smith this morning on the radio saying this should be a good year for him. Thanks for the recap. It's June. Let's not get too worried now. Let's see what happens when training camp starts. Even then, we're still talking about a backup QB. Agreed. But this certainly doesn't sit well with folks like me who didn't like the signing in the first place. Personally I would have rather had a more experienced veteran. I'm not going to throw Lemon any farther under the bus than I already have, but he's really got to show me something to prove to me it wasn't a bad move - and he's not necessarily getting of to a good start. Even so, I'll give him a pass (pun completely intended) for summer but I'll be eager to see what he offers this fall. It's only backup QB, but you never know. Sounds like Bouman wouldn't necessarily be a bad alternative, so I'm not "worried" per se. Lemon throws nice-looking, tight spirals from what I've seen, but he hasn't had all that much of a chance to get timing down with the receivers. This may be why he looks so sloppy this early, but is there more to it than that? What bugs me is Del Rio mentioning how he's not overly impressed with Lemon's arm. Knowing that they gave him a 4-year, $8 mil contract that included a $3 mil roster bonus, you'd like to know that he's at least as good as Quinn Gray who signed a minimal deal with the Texans. So far that doesn't look to be the case. I do think the Jaguars made a mistake by not giving Gray the contract they gave Lemon. I'd feel far more confortable know that if Garrard goes down, they still have Gray. But we can't keep saying "what if," and like FBT said, we're talking about the backup QB position. Lemon is a mobile QB with starting experience able to escape tricky situations even if it means throwing on the run. It bugs me to see him arm being questioned because I felt that was a strength of his. Watching him on film, it appeared his biggest weakness was making bad decisions resulting in INTs. That's still my fear with him. Should he come in, is he just going to throw INTs like he was so prone to do in Miami? To be honest, in the practice yesterday, Lemon's passes weren't that impressive. The ball comes out pretty slowly by comparison to Garrard or even Todd Bouman. It certainly can be partly attributed to the fact that he's still got timing issues to work on, and that appears to be something that is part of their focus. It's clear that he's not quite on the same page as some of the receivers he's working with, and that's to be expected.
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| | | Posted Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:01 AM | |
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| Thank you again FBT. Always great to read your reports!
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| | | Posted Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:24 AM | |
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| | I said this before training camp,and ill say it again. Troy Williamson will be our top WR this year,while porter ends up being a dissapointent. Theres less presure on Troy.
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| | | Posted Monday, June 09, 2008 7:34 AM | |
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| Much Thanks on the reports as usual
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| also thank you for the reports fbt.
| Goals for the 2008-2009 season. 1. play one game at a time 2. improve our record in our division 3. win our division 4.make the playoffs Snowwolf titan owner in maddan games. |
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