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| |  Posted Friday, May 16, 2008 12:13 AM | |
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| PF* (5/15/2008)
We gave up 2 thirds and a fourth to get the exact player we wanted. One of the thirds came to us for Alvin Pearman so we gave up our 3rd and 4th round picks plus a guy we didn't want. Would the 4th rounder have even made our team? We gave our new, aggressive defensive coordinator two guys who will give him all kinds of options to attack opposing quarterbacks. What's not to like? Actually, we didn't get a 3rd for Pearman. We got a 5th for Pearman and a 7th. One of the two 3rds we used to deal up to get Harvey came from Buffalo in the Stroud trade. But your larger point stands.
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| | | Posted Friday, May 16, 2008 3:22 AM | |
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| | I have to think that anyone who is bashing the move for Harvey is doing so because they don't quite understand how much value the Jaguars gained in the deal. All they see is that the Jaguars traded up to #8 and then reached at that spot for Harvey when there a couple of the "elite" players (Rivers, McKelvin and Clady) still available. The argument I keep trying to make is that these guys would be praising the move if the Jaguars waited a little while longer and then moved up to the #14 spot to grab Harvey. What they fail to see is that had they waited, they probably would have had to give up the same exact picks. By taking him with the earlier pick for the same compensation, they guaranteed they got the guy they wanted. That's another thing these grading sites fail to pick up on. That is, the Jaguars really wanted Harvey because among the players available he provided the most potential to help the Jaguars immediately.
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| | | Posted Friday, May 16, 2008 6:03 AM | |
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| Jags02 (5/16/2008)
The argument I keep trying to make is that these guys would be praising the move if the Jaguars waited a little while longer and then moved up to the #14 spot to grab Harvey. What they fail to see is that had they waited, they probably would have had to give up the same exact picks.
Except, of course, that moving up to 14 would most likely not have been an option, and Harvey wouldn't have been available by that point, most likely. Having decided to go for Harvey, the Jags made the move at the right time, and got good value in their trade. |
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| | | Posted Friday, May 16, 2008 7:57 AM | |
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| | Any time a team gives up three players for one player, most people are going to say that the team that got three players got the better deal of the transaction. Well, in the case of the Jags, this draft was not so much about quantity as it was about quality. The Jags desperately needed impact pass-rush DEs out of this draft and from pretty much all reports they came away with the No. 3 and the No. 4 Pass Rush DEs in this draft. Given the value that is placed on the acquisition of quality pass rush DE's, more times than not quality DE's are going to be overdrafted. This happened with the Texans with Mario Williams and in most drafts where the high quality DEs are off the board by the middle of Rd 1 whether they deserve to be selected that high or not. So with such high value placed on DEs, how is it that the Jags were able to STEAL Quentin Groves in the middle of Rd 2? Perhaps the Jags are just smarter than your average Bear, and all the dummies out there saying that three average bears are better than one extraordinary bear are just full of honey and vinegar. Bottom line is that the Jags got what they wanted and what they needed and in this world that rarely happens. When it does happen it is cause for celebration, but only by those that realize how truly rare such an occurance is. |
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| | | Posted Friday, May 16, 2008 8:45 AM | |
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| | If we can look back at this draft in 4 years and say that we have bookend DE's, and everyone else from this class is gone, I'll be happy. A two player draft is no great shakes, and I would much much rather have 4-5 quality players, but the potential in the top two picks of this class is astounding. I might even debate that Kansas City's haul of Branden Albert and Glenn Dorsey doesn't have as much potential at impacting a game as Harvey and Groves. It took us two drafts to get Stroud and Henderson, and back to back 6-10 seasons, and of the nineteen players form those two classes, six of them are still on active rosters. We might have duplicated those two drafts with one class, and that after an 11-5 season. And we still have next years #1!
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| | | Posted Friday, May 16, 2008 9:15 AM | |
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| jackinblack (5/15/2008)
What about making Faneca the highest paid O-lineman in the league?How do you think Willie Parker gets all his yards? Willie P is an undrafted Free Agent. Hmmmm..... maybe it's the fact that he was running behind Faneca and Hartings (2006).
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| TecmoSuperBowl (5/15/2008)
What were their numbers 1-3?
Signing Garrard long term
Picking up Jerry Porter
Trading Stoud
Yahoo are Jaguar haters.Great Post !!!
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| | | Posted Friday, May 16, 2008 11:36 AM | |
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| This draft class was generally regarded as being weak, maybe mediocre at best; so the 'cost' of giving up multiple mid-round picks this year was far less than it would be in a stronger class.
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| BigBanshee (5/16/2008)
This draft class was generally regarded as being weak, maybe mediocre at best; so the 'cost' of giving up multiple mid-round picks this year was far less than it would be in a stronger class.
Also, the expected cost to trade up into the top twenty should have been expected to be higher than normal, not lower. |
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| HURRICANE!!! (5/16/2008)
jackinblack (5/15/2008)
What about making Faneca the highest paid O-lineman in the league?How do you think Willie Parker gets all his yards? Willie P is an undrafted Free Agent. Hmmmm..... maybe it's the fact that he was running behind Faneca and Hartings (2006). Where did I state that Faneca couldn't play? The fact is Faneca is a GUARD and makes more than any LT in the league. On top of that, he's not necessarily a spring chicken anymore. Do you really think he's worth the money? And for a team that's rebuilding? |
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