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Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:12 AM





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When has Anthony Gonzalez done ANYTHING? He had 1 catch for 22 yards combined with Terry Cousin covering him.

Antwan Randle El? Really... ? That's what you're worried about?




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Post #525156
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:21 AM





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KingIngram052787 (5/15/2008)
The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
jackinblack (5/14/2008)
The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)

I never doubted that Brian Williams CAN play Safety at a respectable level.

My issue lies with the question being "how is this secondary actually "improving" overall from last year with this set up? 


 

Are you kidding me? If you think that Knight to Williams is a lateral move please don't offer your opinion.





Sammy Knight played very well last year. You make it sound as if he was crap or that you expect Br Williams to somehow morph into Rodney Harrison in his prime.

I think you're the one who needs to get a check up from the neck up.

 

I think saying Knight played "very well" is pushing it a bit.  He filled in a gap nicely, but other than that he was just eh.

Exactly

Some act as if he played like a Pro Bowler.

Far from it.

He actually wasn't good enough to earn a starting role.  It only fell into his lap after injury.

Williams, on the other hand, did earn a starting role and is expected to have one again this year.  If Knight was a worthwhile piece of the puzzle, he'd still be around.  But if he was around, he be relegated to his prior backup role here.  That's why he wasn't re-signed.



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Post #525160
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:41 AM





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Alfie (5/15/2008)
When has Anthony Gonzalez done ANYTHING? He had 1 catch for 22 yards combined with Terry Cousin covering him.

Antwan Randle El? Really... ? That's what you're worried about?


I guess I may have worded it wrong. Either that or posters are nitpicking the WRs I chose for example.

Speedster WRs in the slot would absolutely abuse Brian Williams. There's no doubt about that. I really don't know why people would move Williams to NB because he just doesn't fit there.





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Post #525166
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:04 PM





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Jagwired'd (5/15/2008)
Alfie (5/15/2008)
When has Anthony Gonzalez done ANYTHING? He had 1 catch for 22 yards combined with Terry Cousin covering him.

Antwan Randle El? Really... ? That's what you're worried about?


I guess I may have worded it wrong. Either that or posters are nitpicking the WRs I chose for example.

Speedster WRs in the slot would absolutely abuse Brian Williams. There's no doubt about that. I really don't know why people would move Williams to NB because he just doesn't fit there.



Which speedsters have owned him in the past?

Reggie Wayne isn't what I'd classify as a "speedster", either.




Del Rio was right!

http://www.jagnation.com

Post #525178
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:08 PM





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Alfie (5/15/2008)
Jagwired'd (5/15/2008)
Alfie (5/15/2008)
When has Anthony Gonzalez done ANYTHING? He had 1 catch for 22 yards combined with Terry Cousin covering him.

Antwan Randle El? Really... ? That's what you're worried about?


I guess I may have worded it wrong. Either that or posters are nitpicking the WRs I chose for example.

Speedster WRs in the slot would absolutely abuse Brian Williams. There's no doubt about that. I really don't know why people would move Williams to NB because he just doesn't fit there.



Which speedsters have owned him in the past?

Reggie Wayne isn't what I'd classify as a "speedster", either.


Exactly. It might be because Reggie Wayne is a monster accelerator, who knows. Might be Reggie Nelson's fault, Who knows. But I do know one speedster that owned him in the past.

Santana Moss is one.





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Post #525185
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:55 PM





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The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)

I never doubted that Brian Williams CAN play Safety at a respectable level.

My issue lies with the question being "how is this secondary actually "improving" overall from last year with this set up?

I knew that a secondary with Sensabaugh playing S & either Wiliams or Florence being forced to play nickel because of a numbers game was indeed a better secondary than last years version. But with Florence merely taking over Br Williams spot & Brian Williams essentially being a lateral move from Sammy Knight, I'm not so sure how much improved, if at all, the secondary is.

Sensabaugh/ Starks/ or a rookie playing nickel IMO, won't be a noticable upgrade from Cousin last year. Again, Williams or Florence easily would have been...but not the aforementioned 3.

Now, I wish we would have made that Sheppard deal. AT least adding Sheppard would have forced the NB to be Florence, again making the secondary significantly improved from last year.

Also, as I pointed out yesterday....if THIS was the plan all along (B Will to Safety) then why settle for Florence as the "upgrade" to Brian Williams RCB spot? Why not spend the extra money and get one of the best CB's in the league in Samuel, rather than paying only slightly less cash (in the scheme of things) for a CB like Florence, which is still essentially a "?". 

 

Brian Williams is alot faster,stronger and physical than Knight, he's an upgrade, the reason why our secondary got better is for alot of reasons besides this obvious move, we just added speed rushers off the edge, and Reggie Nelson just got his first year under his belt, he'll be even better this season because he knows what to expect and he plays at an NFL speed level now, he's already got good range in the backfield, and to be honest, I think since Williams is more physical than what Knight was, and since he's a good cover CB, he just became a double-edged sword in every department, he can come up in run support and drop back into coverage and take the ball out of the air, we havent had a balanced SS like that in years, even with Darius, it always felt like Darius was favored as a run stuffer SS, but with Williams, your getting both, and Florence adds speed and youth to complement Mathis, think about it, you just put your two best coverage players on one side of the football field in Mathis and Williams, and then you have a good range and speedy FS in Nelson and another solid CB in Florence. Add in the experience of Durant and Ingram on top of Smith developing and getting better along with Mike Peterson's return on top of Harvey and Groves on the outside and you simply just made your secondary that much better. Im not even including the fact that Greg Williams has produced great defensive units in the NFL over the last six years as a reason to why our secondary just got better, but I should.




 

Post #525200
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:53 PM





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Alfie (5/15/2008)
StraightJacketJag (5/15/2008)
Maybe greg williams wants a hard hitting brian williams (sean taylor type) for his upcoming defensive schemes

rofl?

How many memorible big hits can you name for Brian Williams... ?

The Pitts game he had some nice hits.. (last year - monday night @ home)

How many chances does a CB really get to lay wood? Not as many as a safety.



 

 11-04-08

 

Post #525250
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:14 PM





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Alfie (5/15/2008)
Jagwired'd (5/15/2008)
Alfie (5/15/2008)
When has Anthony Gonzalez done ANYTHING? He had 1 catch for 22 yards combined with Terry Cousin covering him.

Antwan Randle El? Really... ? That's what you're worried about?


I guess I may have worded it wrong. Either that or posters are nitpicking the WRs I chose for example.

Speedster WRs in the slot would absolutely abuse Brian Williams. There's no doubt about that. I really don't know why people would move Williams to NB because he just doesn't fit there.



Which speedsters have owned him in the past?

Reggie Wayne isn't what I'd classify as a "speedster", either.

IIRC, Santana Moss had a huge game against him in 2006, and even caught the game winning TD in OT against him.  He is definitely a speedster.

That said, not many WRs, speedsters or otherwise, have really exploited him much, nor does he represent the weakness at RCB his predecessors were.

Furthermore, I think a point people have seemingly missed is that I think Williams and Florence (especially assuming if both remain CBs) will be changed up from RCB to nickel, depending on the matchup.  I think if the coaches think Florence will match up better against a particular receiver than Williams, the coaches will be flexible enough to switch the alignment accordingly. 

Traditionally, the Jaguars under JDR have not flipped their CBs.  However, the team has done it at least once-in the 2006 game against Buffalo when Williams was out.  JDR moved Rashean Mathis to the right side to cover Lee Evans. 

Furthermore, the team has not had three solid CBs like we have now.  It gives the team a lot of flexibility.  If the team wants nickel caliber coverage out of the base defense, it has it.  If the team decides to run Williams as the nickel with 2 safeties in a true nickel, it has the ability to do so. 



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Post #525259
Posted Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:41 PM





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Jagwired'd (5/15/2008)
Alfie (5/15/2008)
Jagwired'd (5/15/2008)
Alfie (5/15/2008)
When has Anthony Gonzalez done ANYTHING? He had 1 catch for 22 yards combined with Terry Cousin covering him.

Antwan Randle El? Really... ? That's what you're worried about?


I guess I may have worded it wrong. Either that or posters are nitpicking the WRs I chose for example.

Speedster WRs in the slot would absolutely abuse Brian Williams. There's no doubt about that. I really don't know why people would move Williams to NB because he just doesn't fit there.



Which speedsters have owned him in the past?

Reggie Wayne isn't what I'd classify as a "speedster", either.


Exactly. It might be because Reggie Wayne is a monster accelerator, who knows. Might be Reggie Nelson's fault, Who knows. But I do know one speedster that owned him in the past.

Santana Moss is one.



Wrong, he owned Terry Cousin and Deon Grant. Brian Williams missed a tackle when they were inside the 10, that was about all Santana Moss did to him. With the catch in OT, Williams made a play on the ball and Grant let Moss run past him for the TD. It was hardly a case of Moss beating Williams up and down the field all game, far from it.




Del Rio was right!

http://www.jagnation.com

Post #525279