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| Krayz_Jville_D (5/14/2008)
i do not want brian williams starting, i want him at nickel.. florence is better suited to start at the outisde corner on a blitzing teamWhile B. Will didn't snag INTs, he had a good season. (Except when that darn Reggie Wayne comes around, but obviously a lot of CBs have trouble with him.)
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| The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
jackinblack (5/14/2008)
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I never doubted that Brian Williams CAN play Safety at a respectable level.
My issue lies with the question being "how is this secondary actually "improving" overall from last year with this set up?
Are you kidding me? If you think that Knight to Williams is a lateral move please don't offer your opinion.
Sammy Knight played very well last year. You make it sound as if he was crap or that you expect Br Williams to somehow morph into Rodney Harrison in his prime.
I think you're the one who needs to get a check up from the neck up.
Sammy Knight was decent, but did you notice all of the TE's catching balls over the middle last year? A lot of those were the SS's responsibility to cover and Sammy just didn't do it. |
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| JAXJAGFAN2006 (5/14/2008)
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jackinblack (5/14/2008)
The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
I never doubted that Brian Williams CAN play Safety at a respectable level.
My issue lies with the question being "how is this secondary actually "improving" overall from last year with this set up?
Are you kidding me? If you think that Knight to Williams is a lateral move please don't offer your opinion. Sammy Knight played very well last year. You make it sound as if he was crap or that you expect Br Williams to somehow morph into Rodney Harrison in his prime. I think you're the one who needs to get a check up from the neck up. Sammy Knight was decent, but did you notice all of the TE's catching balls over the middle last year? A lot of those were the SS's responsibility to cover and Sammy just didn't do it. In fariness we played a zone that left holes for the TE. This has been a problem that was here before SK ever became a Jaguar. |
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| Is it possible that the DC might rotate the guys back and forth into different positions to hide his coverages? It seems that this could make for some wickedly deceptive D packages.
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| The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
jackinblack (5/14/2008)
The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
I never doubted that Brian Williams CAN play Safety at a respectable level.
My issue lies with the question being "how is this secondary actually "improving" overall from last year with this set up?
Are you kidding me? If you think that Knight to Williams is a lateral move please don't offer your opinion. Sammy Knight played very well last year. You make it sound as if he was crap or that you expect Br Williams to somehow morph into Rodney Harrison in his prime. I think you're the one who needs to get a check up from the neck up. Knight played well in run support but he was a liablility in the passing game all year long. He just doesn't have the range that Sensebaugh or Williams have. If you don't consider Williams at nickelback (replacing Cousin) and Sensebaugh at SS (replacing Knight) an upgrade, well then I probably won't be able to engage in any meaningful conversation with you. |
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| Chooch (5/14/2008)
Also remember, the team didn't target Florence or even Corner Back for that matter. Once Saturday rolled around and they had signed J. Porter, they noticed that he was still on the market. By that time, Samuel was already two days into his contract with Philly. The Florence signing struck me as more of a Best-Available-Guy-event added to a We-got-more-Cap-space-than-we-know-what-to-do-with type of thing. Excellent points, however, the bottom line is that Florence is still superior in coverage. Brian is dependable against the run and I think that's why Del Rio wants him on the field, but he gets beat deep. Florence is more comparable to Mathis as a CB, but he's almost a liability against the run. The fact that the Chargers played him in the nickel only shows how weak they truly were in the run stopping department. He's not an ideal nickel IMHO.
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| PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Not to overly state the obvious, but it seems to me that its not just Vic's opinion about the potential move of 29 to Safety. Also if you caught Ketchman on 1010 this afternoon don't rule out Sensabaugh just yet. He implied that if Gerald was lights out it could leave an opening for the Jaguars to possibly even Cut Brian Williams. Bottom line as stated many other posts, and topics that the Jaguars have flexibility in the Secondary like never before and if the Road to Tampa Still goes through Indy and NE like many believe, having this flexiblity is a tremendous asset. Just my 2 cents... I have my doubts about Brian's ability to beat out Sensabaugh, but I can't imagine them cutting him if he doesn't. I understand that's a lot to pay for a back-up, but 3rd CB is not really a back-up position when you play teams like the Colts every year. Quite frankly, Brian will have his work cut out for him trying to beat out Sensabaugh. I compare it to Clint Ingram's attempt to beat out Justin Durant. It's not likely to happen. Sensabuagh, like Durant, is a tremendous athlete for the position he plays. He's solid as a rock and fast as lightening, so to speak. Brian has experience on his side, but Sensabaugh is physically superior. It'll be an interesting battle to say the least.
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| PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Not to overly state the obvious, but it seems to me that its not just Vic's opinion about the potential move of 29 to Safety. Also if you caught Ketchman on 1010 this afternoon don't rule out Sensabaugh just yet. He implied that if Gerald was lights out it could leave an opening for the Jaguars to possibly even Cut Brian Williams. Bottom line as stated many other posts, and topics that the Jaguars have flexibility in the Secondary like never before and if the Road to Tampa Still goes through Indy and NE like many believe, having this flexiblity is a tremendous asset. Just my 2 cents... Starting cornerback Brian Williams took reps at safety. “We’re going to get him some exposure there. We’re trying to put together the strongest secondary we can. Brian will be starting somewhere for the Jaguars,” Del Rio said. http://www.jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=6941 even though it's already been posted, I just felt it needed to be reiterated. Vic is using his tongue to hang himself
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| The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
Gabe (5/14/2008)
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I never doubted that Brian Williams CAN play Safety at a respectable level.
My issue lies with the question being "how is this secondary actually "improving" overall from last year with this set up?
I knew that a secondary with Sensabaugh playing S & either Wiliams or Florence being forced to play nickel because of a numbers game was indeed a better secondary than last years version. But with Florence merely taking over Br Williams spot & Brian Williams essentially being a lateral move from Sammy Knight, I'm not so sure how much improved, if at all, the secondary is.
Sensabaugh/ Starks/ or a rookie playing nickel IMO, won't be a noticable upgrade from Cousin last year. Again, Williams or Florence easily would have been...but not the aforementioned 3.
Now, I wish we would have made that Sheppard deal. AT least adding Sheppard would have forced the NB to be Florence, again making the secondary significantly improved from last year.
Also, as I pointed out yesterday....if THIS was the plan all along (B Will to Safety) then why settle for Florence as the "upgrade" to Brian Williams RCB spot? Why not spend the extra money and get one of the best CB's in the league in Samuel, rather than paying only slightly less cash (in the scheme of things) for a CB like Florence, which is still essentially a "?".
Even in the grand scheme of things, Samuel would've been way more expensive than Florence. More expensive? Yes "way" more expensive? How so? Florence's deal averages 6 MIL per year & he got 12 MIL gauranteed. Samuel's deal averages slightly over 9 MIL per year, IIRC, and he got 20 MIL gauranted. Considering the disparity in ability between Florence & Samuel, I don't see the $$$ difference between the 2 as that great. I'd rather pay the difference and get the player that has 0 question marks in his game, than pay less money, but STILL big money - for a player like Florence, who indeed has questions in his game. Some even feel he has -major- questionmarks. While I think Samuel is a very good player, he has not proven to be the elite player you're making him out to be. He's not Champ Bailey. He hasn't proven concistently that he can be a man on an island and shut his man down on his own. He hasn't proven to be a "shut-down" CB. In Philly, he'll be called on to play much more man coverage than he was in NE, so we'll all be witness to his litmus test.
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