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| PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Not to overly state the obvious, but it seems to me that its not just Vic's opinion about the potential move of 29 to Safety.
Also if you caught Ketchman on 1010 this afternoon don't rule out Sensabaugh just yet. He implied that if Gerald was lights out it could leave an opening for the Jaguars to possibly even Cut Brian Williams.
Bottom line as stated many other posts, and topics that the Jaguars have flexibility in the Secondary like never before and if the Road to Tampa Still goes through Indy and NE like many believe, having this flexiblity is a tremendous asset.
Just my 2 cents...
That would be down right stupid to cut Brian Williams if he can't beat out Gerald Sensabaugh for the starting SS position.
Who would you rather have at nickel? Williams or Starks?
What happens if there's an injury to one of the CB's? You've got starks and some rookies. What happens if a safety goes down?
That wouldn't make any sense at all. You've paid him nearly all his money of his contract already, why cut him?
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| Somebody mentioned before that B.Williams is built to play the nickel. I seem to agree with that sentiment. This would allow Jacksonville the flexibility to matchup better with 3WR sets.
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| Alfie (5/14/2008)
PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Not to overly state the obvious, but it seems to me that its not just Vic's opinion about the potential move of 29 to Safety.
Also if you caught Ketchman on 1010 this afternoon don't rule out Sensabaugh just yet. He implied that if Gerald was lights out it could leave an opening for the Jaguars to possibly even Cut Brian Williams.
Bottom line as stated many other posts, and topics that the Jaguars have flexibility in the Secondary like never before and if the Road to Tampa Still goes through Indy and NE like many believe, having this flexiblity is a tremendous asset.
Just my 2 cents...That would be down right stupid to cut Brian Williams if he can't beat out Gerald Sensabaugh for the starting SS position. Who would you rather have at nickel? Williams or Starks? What happens if there's an injury to one of the CB's? You've got starks and some rookies. What happens if a safety goes down? That wouldn't make any sense at all. You've paid him nearly all his money of his contract already, why cut him? Perhaps you should take this up with Vic Directly... Personally I wouldnt cut him myself, for the reasons you stated. On a side note, I am not so sure that Starks isnt better suited as a Nickle Corner than 29. When put in the spotlight to play he has always played at a very high level , is younger and cheaper. but its just my 2 cents.
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| PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Alfie (5/14/2008)
PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Not to overly state the obvious, but it seems to me that its not just Vic's opinion about the potential move of 29 to Safety.
Also if you caught Ketchman on 1010 this afternoon don't rule out Sensabaugh just yet. He implied that if Gerald was lights out it could leave an opening for the Jaguars to possibly even Cut Brian Williams.
Bottom line as stated many other posts, and topics that the Jaguars have flexibility in the Secondary like never before and if the Road to Tampa Still goes through Indy and NE like many believe, having this flexiblity is a tremendous asset.
Just my 2 cents...
That would be down right stupid to cut Brian Williams if he can't beat out Gerald Sensabaugh for the starting SS position.
Who would you rather have at nickel? Williams or Starks?
What happens if there's an injury to one of the CB's? You've got starks and some rookies. What happens if a safety goes down?
That wouldn't make any sense at all. You've paid him nearly all his money of his contract already, why cut him?
Perhaps you should take this up with Vic Directly... Personally I wouldnt cut him myself, for the reasons you stated.
On a side note, I am not so sure that Starks isnt better suited as a Nickle Corner than 29. When put in the spotlight to play he has always played at a very high level , is younger and cheaper. but its just my 2 cents.
Starks is probably better in coverage, however Williams is better overall. Starks is a small guy and not nearly as good a tackler (for a corner) that Williams is.
I was just stating why anyone would mention cutting Williams. Just a dumb idea.
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| Alfie (5/14/2008)
PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Alfie (5/14/2008)
PaulVonMexico (5/14/2008)
Not to overly state the obvious, but it seems to me that its not just Vic's opinion about the potential move of 29 to Safety.
Also if you caught Ketchman on 1010 this afternoon don't rule out Sensabaugh just yet. He implied that if Gerald was lights out it could leave an opening for the Jaguars to possibly even Cut Brian Williams.
Bottom line as stated many other posts, and topics that the Jaguars have flexibility in the Secondary like never before and if the Road to Tampa Still goes through Indy and NE like many believe, having this flexiblity is a tremendous asset.
Just my 2 cents...That would be down right stupid to cut Brian Williams if he can't beat out Gerald Sensabaugh for the starting SS position. Who would you rather have at nickel? Williams or Starks? What happens if there's an injury to one of the CB's? You've got starks and some rookies. What happens if a safety goes down? That wouldn't make any sense at all. You've paid him nearly all his money of his contract already, why cut him? Perhaps you should take this up with Vic Directly... Personally I wouldnt cut him myself, for the reasons you stated. On a side note, I am not so sure that Starks isnt better suited as a Nickle Corner than 29. When put in the spotlight to play he has always played at a very high level , is younger and cheaper. but its just my 2 cents. Starks is probably better in coverage, however Williams is better overall. Starks is a small guy and not nearly as good a tackler (for a corner) that Williams is. I was just stating why anyone would mention cutting Williams. Just a dumb idea. Gotcha
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| cutting williams would be absolutely stupid... that wont happen..
it seems more and more like williams will be the SS.. people must remember that wether u think hes built for SS or not, we will probably not be using him in the box... we will be playing more of a defense against the pass im sure... they think they can stop the run without 8 in the box, therefore our SS is more like another FS..
Mad Dog... i dont know why you think that knight was soo good last year, maybe cuz he had 4 ints you equate that to being good? knight is so terribly slow its ridiculous.. did u know the jags rated DEAD LAST against opposing team's TE's?? do you also know how covers the TE's most the time? that would be the SS... we cant get worse at SS with williams there or sensabaugh, both are a big upgrade..
also, sensabaugh at NB would be an upgrade to cousin, hes bigger, faster, more athletic than cousin... my hope is sensy at SS and williams at NB.. but its not lookin like that right now
Rashean the I-N-T Machine Mathis- best CB in the game
TMD's "predictions" so far for 08 season:
-Minnesota and Philly in the NFC championship game with Minnesota in the Superbowl
-Denver Broncos in the AFC championship game
-Houston a top 5 rushing team in the 09 season
-Houston seeded higher in the playoffs than the jags
- jags finishing 9-7 at best
- Browns finish better than the Jags
-Jags finish last in the AFC South after a bad showing in the preseason
TMD and I have a bet for $100 on the Jags wins
-Denver winning the AFC West LOL
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| The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
Gabe (5/14/2008)
The Mad Dog (5/14/2008)
I never doubted that Brian Williams CAN play Safety at a respectable level.
My issue lies with the question being "how is this secondary actually "improving" overall from last year with this set up?
I knew that a secondary with Sensabaugh playing S & either Wiliams or Florence being forced to play nickel because of a numbers game was indeed a better secondary than last years version. But with Florence merely taking over Br Williams spot & Brian Williams essentially being a lateral move from Sammy Knight, I'm not so sure how much improved, if at all, the secondary is.
Sensabaugh/ Starks/ or a rookie playing nickel IMO, won't be a noticable upgrade from Cousin last year. Again, Williams or Florence easily would have been...but not the aforementioned 3.
Now, I wish we would have made that Sheppard deal. AT least adding Sheppard would have forced the NB to be Florence, again making the secondary significantly improved from last year.
Also, as I pointed out yesterday....if THIS was the plan all along (B Will to Safety) then why settle for Florence as the "upgrade" to Brian Williams RCB spot? Why not spend the extra money and get one of the best CB's in the league in Samuel, rather than paying only slightly less cash (in the scheme of things) for a CB like Florence, which is still essentially a "?".
Even in the grand scheme of things, Samuel would've been way more expensive than Florence. More expensive? Yes "way" more expensive? How so? Florence's deal averages 6 MIL per year & he got 12 MIL gauranteed. Samuel's deal averages slightly over 9 MIL per year, IIRC, and he got 20 MIL gauranted. Considering the disparity in ability between Florence & Samuel, I don't see the $$$ difference between the 2 as that great. I'd rather pay the difference and get the player that has 0 question marks in his game, than pay less money, but STILL big money - for a player like Florence, who indeed has questions in his game. Some even feel he has -major- questionmarks. I have to disagree, Samuel has question marks in his game. He is not a slam dunk. Imagine how Eagle fans are going to be when they find out he was just someone who benefitted from the system. Has anyone that left the Patriots made the Pro-Bowl with another team? Maybe Samuel is the real deal, but it is still a big risk signing a guy that comes from a team that is known to get a lot out of nothing. By the way these teams are not throwing around monopoly money. I like how you don't consider 3 mil more a year, and 8 mil up front not a big deal.  I wish you were signing my paychecks. |
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| Alfie (5/14/2008)
08 Fear Hussein 08 (5/14/2008)
How did Brian Williams look at safety on the first days of OTA’s?
Vic: Come on, Brian Williams can play safety in his sleep. It was an underwear practice. I think there were 12 plays in the whole thing. We’re talking about a corner who’s built like a running back. If that doesn’t scream safety, I don’t know what does. This is a lay up. Hmm. Interesting. He's built like a little running back, unless he put on about 20lbs. I don't see what Brian Williams has done that screams SS to me, like Vic seems to infer... The guy is built real solid, man. I think he can put on 8-10 lbs. and play at 210 effectively. I'm interested to hear some reports, but I think I favor GS playing SS with Florence at nickel.
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| 08 Fear Hussein 08 (5/14/2008)
Alfie (5/14/2008)
08 Fear Hussein 08 (5/14/2008)
How did Brian Williams look at safety on the first days of OTA’s?
Vic: Come on, Brian Williams can play safety in his sleep. It was an underwear practice. I think there were 12 plays in the whole thing. We’re talking about a corner who’s built like a running back. If that doesn’t scream safety, I don’t know what does. This is a lay up. Hmm. Interesting.
He's built like a little running back, unless he put on about 20lbs.
I don't see what Brian Williams has done that screams SS to me, like Vic seems to infer...
The guy is built real solid, man. I think he can put on 8-10 lbs. and play at 210 effectively.
I'm interested to hear some reports, but I think I favor GS playing SS with Florence at nickel.
I'm fine with either Florence or Williams at nickel.
I don't think they should just hand it over to Florence like Vic's suggested they have.
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