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Posted Saturday, May 17, 2008 3:58 PM





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Lastly, regarding you're "Leftwich\Garrard" argument, why is it that you weren't willing to allow more time for Byron to develop? Why is this patience only justified for MJ?


I am not sure what "Leftawich/Garrard argument you're talking about. With regards to your other question it was obvious to me that Leftawich was an egotistical player the had absolutely zero talent. Matt Jones has an abundance of talent that NO ONE denies. Again, I never attacked Leftawich until I was attacked for preferring to see Garrard get a legitimate shot. I also bit back when Garrard was attacked because it was clear to many of us that Garrard had much more talent.
As you can see I have attacked no other players in my defense of Matt Jones unlike the ex Leftawich lovers. You see, the shoe is on the other foot and I prefer to remain civil.


I think you're confusing athleticism for talent.


Nope

If he had outstanding tallent, not just athleticism, would we be talking about his roster spot?

 

We would and we did. Byron had an outstanding arm. He could throw the ball better than Garrard, and still can, and he was incredibly smart with an uncanny ability to see downfield. He wasn't released for a lack of talent. He was let go because his limited athleticism prevented him from rolling out and making things happen with his feet. He was too slow to react, and he requires near perfect protection.



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Posted Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:58 PM



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Jags02 (5/17/2008)
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Jags02 (5/17/2008)
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Lastly, regarding you're "Leftwich\Garrard" argument, why is it that you weren't willing to allow more time for Byron to develop? Why is this patience only justified for MJ?


I am not sure what "Leftawich/Garrard argument you're talking about. With regards to your other question it was obvious to me that Leftawich was an egotistical player the had absolutely zero talent. Matt Jones has an abundance of talent that NO ONE denies. Again, I never attacked Leftawich until I was attacked for preferring to see Garrard get a legitimate shot. I also bit back when Garrard was attacked because it was clear to many of us that Garrard had much more talent.
As you can see I have attacked no other players in my defense of Matt Jones unlike the ex Leftawich lovers. You see, the shoe is on the other foot and I prefer to remain civil.


I think you're confusing athleticism for talent.


Nope


If he had outstanding tallent, not just athleticism, would we be talking about his roster spot?




We would and we did. Byron had an outstanding arm. He could throw the ball better than Garrard, and still can, and he was incredibly smart with an uncanny ability to see downfield. He wasn't released for a lack of talent. He was let go because his limited athleticism prevented him from rolling out and making things happen with his feet. He was too slow to react, and he requires near perfect protection.


He could throw the ball harder.....better ?...........nope.......no way !!!!!!




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My favorite nick name for David Garrard is "Starting Quarterback"




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Posted Saturday, May 17, 2008 6:13 PM





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He did knock a satellite out of orbit with an errant pass.



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Post #526200
Posted Saturday, May 17, 2008 8:49 PM





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Lastly, regarding you're "Leftwich\Garrard" argument, why is it that you weren't willing to allow more time for Byron to develop? Why is this patience only justified for MJ?


I am not sure what "Leftawich/Garrard argument you're talking about. With regards to your other question it was obvious to me that Leftawich was an egotistical player the had absolutely zero talent. Matt Jones has an abundance of talent that NO ONE denies. Again, I never attacked Leftawich until I was attacked for preferring to see Garrard get a legitimate shot. I also bit back when Garrard was attacked because it was clear to many of us that Garrard had much more talent.
As you can see I have attacked no other players in my defense of Matt Jones unlike the ex Leftawich lovers. You see, the shoe is on the other foot and I prefer to remain civil.


I think you're confusing athleticism for talent.


Nope


If he had outstanding tallent, not just athleticism, would we be talking about his roster spot?




We would and we did. Byron had an outstanding arm. He could throw the ball better than Garrard, and still can, and he was incredibly smart with an uncanny ability to see downfield. He wasn't released for a lack of talent. He was let go because his limited athleticism prevented him from rolling out and making things happen with his feet. He was too slow to react, and he requires near perfect protection.


He could throw the ball harder.....better ?...........nope.......no way !!!!!!

Sure he could. Byron could lay out a perfect pass 60 yards downfield. Garrard could only do that in his dreams. I'm not knocking Garrard, but his long distance accuracy is nowhere near Leftwich's. As Simon would say, "Sorry."



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Posted Sunday, May 18, 2008 12:34 AM





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Honestly, if Leftwich was 20 years earlier he probably would have been a good Qb for a while. I think some people are moving too far toward Vick/Young etc in the running QB category, but it looks like the days of Drew Bledsoe type QBs(like Leftwich) are coming to a close.



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Posted Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:01 AM





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Getting back on topic, I noticed recent video on the main site. At one point he starts talking about his high expectations for Jerry Porter because he "makes great plays" He goes on talking about how he has expectations for other WRs to make great plays as well, and in particular he mentions Reggie Williams, Dennis Northcutt and Troy Williamson. I find this somewhat telling of how the early WR battle might be shaping up. Now Mike Walker does have a lock on his roster spot, but if they were to start the season today I'm thinking their WR line-up might look like...

  1. Jerry Porter
  2. Reggie Williams
  3. Dennis Northcutt
  4. Troy Williamson
  5. Mike Walker

During camp, or possibly later during the season, I expect Walker to move up these charts. It wouldn't surprise me if one way or another he ends up in a starting role for the 2009 season.



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Posted Monday, May 19, 2008 2:19 PM





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Lastly, regarding you're "Leftwich\Garrard" argument, why is it that you weren't willing to allow more time for Byron to develop? Why is this patience only justified for MJ?


I am not sure what "Leftawich/Garrard argument you're talking about. With regards to your other question it was obvious to me that Leftawich was an egotistical player the had absolutely zero talent. Matt Jones has an abundance of talent that NO ONE denies. Again, I never attacked Leftawich until I was attacked for preferring to see Garrard get a legitimate shot. I also bit back when Garrard was attacked because it was clear to many of us that Garrard had much more talent.
As you can see I have attacked no other players in my defense of Matt Jones unlike the ex Leftawich lovers. You see, the shoe is on the other foot and I prefer to remain civil.

But don't you find it interesting that you attack others as "haters" if they want to see someone else get a "legitimate shot" at WR?  BL was able to win games at QB.  He was able to lead 4th qtr, last second drives as QB.  In the clutch he came through. Now whether you personally, in a purely subjective view, didn't think BL had talent, his production proved otherwise.  As for MJ, he has so underproduced that he couldn't retain a starting spot.  Again, his agent used the media to note MJ would want a trade.  The question isn't whether the talent is there.  The question is whether the heart is there.  MJ may have a ton more talent than Ernest Wilford but EW maximized what he had and made it into a bigger payday.  The only thing I get from the defense of your position is that you like MJ so much you're willing to let the team suffer to ensure MJ gets as many chances as he needs to prove himself. 

That you would characterize BL as a "zero talent" player provides evidence that you aren't objective.  To note him as "egotistical" shows that it is personal.  Since you have taken a personal tone to BL, how is it that when someone "hates" on MJ you call them out?  It shouldn't matter whether BL is egotistical or not.  That is a personal attack on BL's character\personality and that is exactly what you ostricize those who don't like MJ for.  Simply because I or someone else wants MJ off the team because we don't like his work ethic or his attitude doesn't make us haters any more than you are a BL hater.  You thought someone could play his position better.  You felt his time was up to prove himself.  There is no difference between that opinion and our opinion of MJ.  Unless he manages to play at the level warranted of a 1st round draft pick, and that includes the practice field, he needs to be let go so someone else has a chance to prove themself.



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Posted Monday, May 19, 2008 2:35 PM





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Lastly, regarding you're "Leftwich\Garrard" argument, why is it that you weren't willing to allow more time for Byron to develop? Why is this patience only justified for MJ?


I am not sure what "Leftawich/Garrard argument you're talking about. With regards to your other question it was obvious to me that Leftawich was an egotistical player the had absolutely zero talent. Matt Jones has an abundance of talent that NO ONE denies. Again, I never attacked Leftawich until I was attacked for preferring to see Garrard get a legitimate shot. I also bit back when Garrard was attacked because it was clear to many of us that Garrard had much more talent.
As you can see I have attacked no other players in my defense of Matt Jones unlike the ex Leftawich lovers. You see, the shoe is on the other foot and I prefer to remain civil.

But don't you find it interesting that you attack others as "haters" if they want to see someone else get a "legitimate shot" at WR?  BL was able to win games at QB.  He was able to lead 4th qtr, last second drives as QB.  In the clutch he came through. Now whether you personally, in a purely subjective view, didn't think BL had talent, his production proved otherwise.  As for MJ, he has so underproduced that he couldn't retain a starting spot.  Again, his agent used the media to note MJ would want a trade.  The question isn't whether the talent is there.  The question is whether the heart is there.  MJ may have a ton more talent than Ernest Wilford but EW maximized what he had and made it into a bigger payday.  The only thing I get from the defense of your position is that you like MJ so much you're willing to let the team suffer to ensure MJ get