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Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 7:19 AM





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The Jaguars filled a need in the 1st round in a big way.  Derrick Harvey is one of the best RDE in this draft and why the Jags vaulted 18 spots to get him.  The other potential choice, Phillip Merling, who was still available at the 26th spot where the Jags moved up from, is too similar, however, to what the Jags already have in Paul Spicer and Reggie Hayward and why they felt the move was worth it.  The Jaguars needed someone who could be a force coming around Peyton Manning's blind side.  But, they gave up an awful lot to get him (picks #26, 71, 89, 125, 158) when they could have had their choice of two proven Pro Bowl players in either Jared Allen (picks #26, 143, 159) or Jason Taylor (picks #26 or 58) for less!  However, youth was served here which was very important.  The pressure is now on Harvey to take this team to the Division title, the Conference Championship game and become a future Pro Bowler.  If he doesn't, considering what they gave up or could have had, this pick could be considered a bust.  If he does, well, you know what that means.  
 
 
What improved this draft class significantly was jumping up and getting Quentin Groves in the 2nd.  This was a guy the Jags could have targeted in the 1st.  Groves is a vicious tackler and has amazing quickness for someone 6'3" 260 pounds.  Most importantly, he hates QBs.  He will have ample opportunity to show off his distaste in new Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams' blitz packages. 
 
The good thing is, neither Groves or Harvey will be required to be everydown linemen early on.  They will be able to learn the system and develop.  But, when its a definite passing situation, having these two on the field at the sime time attacking from the rightside will wreak havoc and create all sorts of opportunities for the defense. 
 
The two 5th round picks were for depth only.  After giving away most of their draft picks, that was about all they could do.  The curious thing is:  Does drafting a CB, when they needed depth at Safety, signal the move of Brian Williams to SS? 
 
Perhaps, the best value was in the 7th round.  After losing LaBrandon Toefield to FA, we needed a back-up RB behind Fred Taylor and Maurice Drew.  Chauncey Washington more than fits that role and was a steal.  At 212 pounds and 4.4 speed, he hits the hole with authority and will be a needed work horse in the 4th Quarter when the Jags have a comfortable lead and are looking to run out the clock.  Washington doesn't have a lot of wear and tear on his body either after sitting out for two years in USC head coach Pete Carroll's doghouse.  If he proves he can hang onto the football, he has a shot at producing more than a back-up role in the future. 
 
Overall, the Jags significantly addressed their need in a big way.  The question will be, whether they were right.  As Jaguars fans are all to well aware, drafting in the 1st round is not a guarantee.  We'll find out soon enough as Training Camp is only two months away.

 
Post #517715
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 1:02 PM





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This morning I looked at the draft and figured that if we would have just stuck with the pre-draft picks (no trades), we would have had something like:

1. DE Philip Merling, 2. RB Jamal Charles, 3a. S DaJuan Morgan, 3b. DT Dre Moore, 4. QB John David Booty, 5a. TE Kellen Davis, 5b. LB Jonathan Goff, and 5c. OT Carl Nicks. 

As great as this list appears to me, each pick would be a likely backup this year, with  some solid starters somewhere down the road...but likely no 'impact pro-bowl' type of guys.  However, by trading up for DEs Harvey and Groves, I truly believe we obtained two potential impact pro-bowl type of players, that will have significant contribution this year.  It is a steep price, but given the existing depth on this team, I do like the moves.    

Post #517981
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 1:25 PM





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I am going to get back to you guys in January with my opinion of the trade and giving up so much to get Harvey.  Until then, I will just say "let's wait and see".  Hopefully, Harvey and Groves play lights out and they are worth it.  We shall see.



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Post #518007
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 1:26 PM





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The thing about that 'steep price' (and I agree that it was expensive) was that the cost has already been paid, so to speak.

Yes, the lack of draft picks for this year will probably hurt the depth in some spots, but when you consider the fact that we obtained a Top 10-15 selection and got to keep our Second Rounder, and we have a full draft next season, it's a pretty good haul. If these guys come around to be what they are expected to be, this draft could be the seminal moment of this Franchise, and we can still develop for the future.



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Post #518008
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 1:43 PM





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BTW, just for fun, here's what I think we could have had:


1(26). DE Phillip Merling
2(43). S  Tyrell Johnson (give up pick #89 to trade up)
3(71). RB Jamal Charles
4(125) OT Carl Nicks
5(143) LB Marcus Howard (more pass rush)
5(159) CB Trae Williams

While I applaud the F.O. for being agressive and not just sitting back and waiting to see what would happen, you have to admit this would have been a nice haul.  Like I said, I will wait till January to pass judgement.  Neutral on the move right now.



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Post #518028
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 2:37 PM





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Post #518096
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 2:57 PM



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Sticking with the original picks going into the draft, here are my picks:

Rd 1(26): Phillip Merling - DE - Clemson

Rd 2(58): Tavares Gooden - OLB - Miami

Rd 3(71): DaJuan Morgan - S - N.C. State

Rd 3(78): Dre Moore - DT - Maryland

Rd 4(125): Trae Williams - CB - S. Fla.

Rd 5(143): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

Rd 5(158): Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska

Rd 5(159): Brian Johnston - DE - Gardner Webb

Post #518110
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 3:24 PM





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I don't think Merling will work as a 4-3 end in the NFL.



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Post #518123
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 3:44 PM



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TheSpacePope (4/28/2008)
I don't think Merling will work as a 4-3 end in the NFL.

I agree that Phillip Merling is NOT in the same class as Derrick Harvey in terms of being a pass rush DE.

Post #518135
Posted Monday, April 28, 2008 3:51 PM





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TheSpacePope (4/28/2008)
I don't think Merling will work as a 4-3 end in the NFL.

I think we know everything we need to know about Merling and Campbell's ability to effect the passer by what teams drafted them.  They are both going to be 5 techniques...guys that hold the point, not rush the passer.