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Posted Monday, March 31, 2008 1:22 AM




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I am sure many of us are familiar with some proposed rule changes for the upcoming season.  The hair rule is probably going to pass (but they can tuck it in to the jersey) and also the proposed playoff seeding situation.  How does everybody feel about the force out rule?  It is possibly on its way out.  I never liked it, and I hope its done.  If you cannot get 2 feet down inbounds- too bad. 



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Posted Monday, March 31, 2008 4:57 PM


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Rashean27Mathis (3/31/2008)
I am sure many of us are familiar with some proposed rule changes for the upcoming season.  The hair rule is probably going to pass (but they can tuck it in to the jersey) and also the proposed playoff seeding situation.  How does everybody feel about the force out rule?  It is possibly on its way out.  I never liked it, and I hope its done.  If you cannot get 2 feet down inbounds- too bad. 

I agree with this 100%. It takes away a judgement call by the official which, in my book, is always a good thing. The rule use to be this way back before the NFL wanted to make rule changes to generate more offense, which they believed would generate more viewership.

If people look at the rule changes enacted from the 60's to the 90's they were to increase scoring. They encouraged more passing. As a result of this, teams game planned around a passing game and QB's were drafted with big arms. Consequently, since the game was changed to encourage passing, more QB's who were standing in the pocket rather than handing off were getting seriously injured. So the league had to institute rules to protect the high prices QB's, like not hitting them when they sneezed (sarcasm).  A lineman used to not be able to put his hands on the jersey of the defensive lineman, but they changed that rule to protect QB's.

I'd like to see them get rid of as many judgement calls as possible. There'd be a lot less controversy.

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Posted Monday, March 31, 2008 5:57 PM


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It would be a great rule to get rid of and really cause the receiver to be open, but they won't change it. The immediate effect is that cornerbacks would slam into any receiver near the sidelines in order to get him out of bounds before he comes down. That would lead to more injuries or would cause the officials to have to make more judgement calls about hitting unprotected receivers.

Plus, lob passes to the back or side of the end zone would in some sense, be eliminated. If this play was eliminated from the Jags playbook, we may not have another designed-for-Matt Jones play to waste a down on in the red zone.
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Posted Monday, March 31, 2008 6:41 PM


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nordicjag (3/31/2008)

It would be a great rule to get rid of and really cause the receiver to be open, but they won't change it. The immediate effect is that cornerbacks would slam into any receiver near the sidelines in order to get him out of bounds before he comes down. That would lead to more injuries or would cause the officials to have to make more judgement calls about hitting unprotected receivers.

Plus, lob passes to the back or side of the end zone would in some sense, be eliminated. If this play was eliminated from the Jags playbook, we may not have another designed-for-Matt Jones play to waste a down on in the red zone.

This is exactly correct. That is exactly what they want the rule to be, so there is no question whether it was a catch or not. This rule applies to both teams and fair to both teams. A receiver gets hit now, whether inbounds or out of bounds, as it should be.

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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:23 AM




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Almost every call in the NFL is a judgement call, to one extent or another.  In my humble opinion, I think this would lead to further questioning and further judgement on the part of the officials (and player/fan reaction) and a move that we would soon wish to forget.  This would invoke more pass interference because it would give the corners and secondary a huge advantage on sideline grabs. 

For a play to not be pass interference, a defender must play the ball and must be looking at the ball.  From that point on, it's anyone's game.  If the defender isn't playing the ball and is playing the receiver with his head turned away and impedes his ability at all to make the catch, that's pass interference. 

Establishing that as fact, if a wide receiver is going down the sidelines, the incentive for the defender to cover that receiver would take a serious dent.  The defender wouldn't have to play the ball; but rather, could play the receiver and wouldn't need to worry about the ball.  And if it's a sideline grab, the corner could just shove them out of bounds.  In my opinion, what seperates the good cornerback from an average cornerback is the ability to read and react to the ball, no matter where on the field.  Cortland Finnegan put on a clinic in the wild card game against the Chargers last year. 

This would also have effects on the NFL Combine and the drills established for secondary players, or render those drills completely meaningless altogether.  This would probably reverberate into the college game and how secondary coaches instruct upcoming NFL players, as well. 

Simply stated: The value of playing the ball would go down. 



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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:37 AM


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You might be too young to remember but the rule use to be the receiver had to have both feet in bounds regardless of a push. It was changed in the late 70's when the league was trying to generate more offense. It's a lot easier on the ref to determine if the receiver had two feet inbounds rather than if he "would have had" two feet inbounds.

I hope they change it back. It wasn't broken before, they just wanted more offense.

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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:25 PM




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ICF (4/1/2008)
Almost every call in the NFL is a judgement call, to one extent or another.  In my humble opinion, I think this would lead to further questioning and further judgement on the part of the officials (and player/fan reaction) and a move that we would soon wish to forget.  This would invoke more pass interference because it would give the corners and secondary a huge advantage on sideline grabs. 

For a play to not be pass interference, a defender must play the ball and must be looking at the ball.  From that point on, it's anyone's game.  If the defender isn't playing the ball and is playing the receiver with his head turned away and impedes his ability at all to make the catch, that's pass interference. 

Establishing that as fact, if a wide receiver is going down the sidelines, the incentive for the defender to cover that receiver would take a serious dent.  The defender wouldn't have to play the ball; but rather, could play the receiver and wouldn't need to worry about the ball.  And if it's a sideline grab, the corner could just shove them out of bounds.  In my opinion, what seperates the good cornerback from an average cornerback is the ability to read and react to the ball, no matter where on the field.  Cortland Finnegan put on a clinic in the wild card game against the Chargers last year. 

This would also have effects on the NFL Combine and the drills established for secondary players, or render those drills completely meaningless altogether.  This would probably reverberate into the college game and how secondary coaches instruct upcoming NFL players, as well. 

Simply stated: The value of playing the ball would go down. 

WHY ARE WE ALWAYS EXPLAINING THE RULES TO COLTS FANS??  lets make it simple so even an inbred 4 toothed turtleneck wearing clots fan could get it.  I DO NOT HAVE TO PLAY THE BALL, YOU JUMP AND CATCH IT- I PUSH YOU OUT OF BOUNDS= NO CATCH!!  That is also not PI.  This is not 4th grade math here.



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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:02 PM




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Rashean27Mathis (4/1/2008)
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Almost every call in the NFL is a judgement call, to one extent or another.  In my humble opinion, I think this would lead to further questioning and further judgement on the part of the officials (and player/fan reaction) and a move that we would soon wish to forget.  This would invoke more pass interference because it would give the corners and secondary a huge advantage on sideline grabs. 

For a play to not be pass interference, a defender must play the ball and must be looking at the ball.  From that point on, it's anyone's game.  If the defender isn't playing the ball and is playing the receiver with his head turned away and impedes his ability at all to make the catch, that's pass interference. 

Establishing that as fact, if a wide receiver is going down the sidelines, the incentive for the defender to cover that receiver would take a serious dent.  The defender wouldn't have to play the ball; but rather, could play the receiver and wouldn't need to worry about the ball.  And if it's a sideline grab, the corner could just shove them out of bounds.  In my opinion, what seperates the good cornerback from an average cornerback is the ability to read and react to the ball, no matter where on the field.  Cortland Finnegan put on a clinic in the wild card game against the Chargers last year. 

This would also have effects on the NFL Combine and the drills established for secondary players, or render those drills completely meaningless altogether.  This would probably reverberate into the college game and how secondary coaches instruct upcoming NFL players, as well. 

Simply stated: The value of playing the ball would go down. 

WHY ARE WE ALWAYS EXPLAINING THE RULES TO COLTS FANS??  lets make it simple so even an inbred 4 toothed turtleneck wearing clots fan could get it.  I DO NOT HAVE TO PLAY THE BALL, YOU JUMP AND CATCH IT- I PUSH YOU OUT OF BOUNDS= NO CATCH!!  That is also not PI.  This is not 4th grade math here.

You obviously don't have a clue as to what I was talking about with my first post.  I'll leave it up to you to understand.   

I understand the concept of the new rule clearly.  I disagree with it.  I understand that's not pass interference.  If you push me out of bounds, it becomes a judgement call under the current rule.  If the proposed rule comes to fruition, it's an incomplete pass. 

What part of that made you think that I didn't understand the proposed rule?

And seriously: Grow up and quit playing tough guy behind the keyboard.



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Posted Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:23 AM




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Ignore the clot troll and his insults. That's how he rolls.



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Posted Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:51 AM




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Fargin (4/2/2008)
Ignore the clot troll and his insults. That's how he rolls.

I guess you aren't ignoring me anymore, eh, hypocrite?

See folks...allow me to clue you in as to how the Fargman rolls: He'll accuse people of saying something they've never said in a last-ditch effort at winning an argument.  Then, whenever you call him out on it, he magically disappears (Southern Chicken's response to him in a political thread was a classic example).  Then, he'll falsely accuse you of saying that you would ignore him, therein making you a liar in his mind.  Ask him to point out where he was lied to, and again, he pulls the dissappearing act and, rather than man-up and answer the question, he'll pull a super-cool Jedi-mind trick and revert back to accusing you of saying things you've never said in an effort to distract you and subsequently defending himself from answering the question with regards to how you lied to him.

As he told me once, may God or whatever diety he serves bless his heart. 

Oh yeah...almost forgot this one, crucial element to this entire process: If you cross Fargin, you're a waste of his time, despite all of his responses, public and private, towards you.  Whenever you accuse him of insulting you, he'll desperately look for some little, itty-bitty thing (like "grow up") that is minute compared to how he slammed you in an effort to make yourself look like a hypocrite. 

He'll probably come here and reply with how I roll and pull the same old, predicable acts.  He'll accuse me of saying things I've never said...and the whole tornado will just keep spinning.  He'll get the last word in because he, as he himself says, "can't let it go." 

It will happen, ladies and gentleman, boys and girls, cats and dogs.  Just sit back and watch.  I have no doubt about it. 



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