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Posted Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:17 PM




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This is a 2 part topic, both dealing with defensive line positions. It is essentially a "big vs.small" question for players.

1. Which type of DT would better suit this defense? The really big, run stuffing, clogging type guys, or the smaller, quicker, penetrating type DT's. The roles of those 2 categories of player are a bit different, so which lends itself to being the most productive in our defense?

2. Same question, but for DE. We have many smaller faster DE's on the squad already, and have a couple of the bigger ends as well. Which better suits the style of defense we with to employ?

I'm sure these questions weigh heavily into player rankings such as whether to go with a guy like Trevor Laws vs a guy like Red Bryant. Or with the DE like Quentin Groves vs. Calias Cambell.

Just curious on what everyone's thoughts are.



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Posted Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:42 PM




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jagutopia (3/29/2008)
This is a 2 part topic, both dealing with defensive line positions. It is essentially a "big vs.small" question for players.

1. Which type of DT would better suit this defense? The really big, run stuffing, clogging type guys, or the smaller, quicker, penetrating type DT's. The roles of those 2 categories of player are a bit different, so which lends itself to being the most productive in our defense?

2. Same question, but for DE. We have many smaller faster DE's on the squad already, and have a couple of the bigger ends as well. Which better suits the style of defense we with to employ?

I'm sure these questions weigh heavily into player rankings such as whether to go with a guy like Trevor Laws vs a guy like Red Bryant. Or with the DE like Quentin Groves vs. Calias Cambell.

Just curious on what everyone's thoughts are.

I guess it depends on how much influence Gregg Williams is going to have. Jack Del Rio has said that we are going to stay with his style of defense, and Gregg is going to have to adjust to our style. With that being said,  JDR's philosophy is clog the middle and force the play to the outside. From there, our fast pursuing LB's run down the play.

As far as the DE situation. Same story. I guess it depends on how much influence Gregg Williams is going to have, but JDR's philosophy is to disrupt the pocket, but also be  able to play the run. Although we have a few DPR's on the roster JDR still seems to prefer the bigger, every down DE. (Hayward 6'5 280, and Spicer 6'5 290)

But if Gregg Williams has any influence, if you look at his DE's over the last few years like, Andre Carter (252 lbs)  they are all small and fast, DE's so I guess we'll see!



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Posted Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:38 AM




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i agree!



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Posted Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:07 PM




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Big and immovable for the middle and fast as hell on the side. If your guys in the middle have that covered, Lb's should be able to give support to the De's. Course you have to have those tackles for that to happen, I guess vice versa would work, but, on the outside you have a limited area to run and the middle once you have broke contain. It is hard to catch back up. Plus i like that sack & strip from behind.
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Posted Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:40 PM




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jagutopia (3/29/2008)
This is a 2 part topic, both dealing with defensive line positions. It is essentially a "big vs.small" question for players.

1. Which type of DT would better suit this defense? The really big, run stuffing, clogging type guys, or the smaller, quicker, penetrating type DT's. The roles of those 2 categories of player are a bit different, so which lends itself to being the most productive in our defense?

2. Same question, but for DE. We have many smaller faster DE's on the squad already, and have a couple of the bigger ends as well. Which better suits the style of defense we with to employ?

I'm sure these questions weigh heavily into player rankings such as whether to go with a guy like Trevor Laws vs a guy like Red Bryant. Or with the DE like Quentin Groves vs. Calias Cambell.

Just curious on what everyone's thoughts are.

 

The guy I'd like to have is Gary Walker in his prime. He stuffed the run and got to the QB. At DE, give me Tony Brackens in his prime.



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Posted Monday, March 31, 2008 6:02 PM




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jagutopia (3/29/2008)
This is a 2 part topic, both dealing with defensive line positions. It is essentially a "big vs.small" question for players.

1. Which type of DT would better suit this defense? The really big, run stuffing, clogging type guys, or the smaller, quicker, penetrating type DT's. The roles of those 2 categories of player are a bit different, so which lends itself to being the most productive in our defense?

2. Same question, but for DE. We have many smaller faster DE's on the squad already, and have a couple of the bigger ends as well. Which better suits the style of defense we with to employ?

I'm sure these questions weigh heavily into player rankings such as whether to go with a guy like Trevor Laws vs a guy like Red Bryant. Or with the DE like Quentin Groves vs. Calias Cambell.

Just curious on what everyone's thoughts are.




The guy I'd like to have is Gary Walker in his prime. He stuffed the run and got to the QB. At DE, give me Tony Brackens in his prime.


That'd be nice.

Anyway, the small fast DE's on our roster currently are not good enough and we lost one of them (B-Mac). I would go Groves because our problem is getting to the QB. Calais is not a run stuffer either, regardless of his size. He's a pass rusher that has the size to develop into a dominant every down end.




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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:06 AM




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i like big strong linemen able to stuff the run and squash the qb and quick linebackers and secondary



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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:18 AM




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Jay T money sonny (4/1/2008)
I like big strong linemen able to stuff the run and squash the qb and quick linebackers and secondary

Uhhh, alrighty then...

Anyway, A mix of both types of D-Line players is the best way to go in my opinion. For example, along the Defensive Line, you could have:

LDE - R. Heyward, who has shown the ability to set the edge and split the occasional Double-Team and can flash pass rush moves to pressure the pocket. Not a speed rusher necessarily, but has the ability to turn the corner.

LDT - G. Walker/R, Meier, quick-twitch type of DT that is on the blocker and into the gap with a quickness. Is a constant threat due to the fact that he is always moving forward trying to push the pocket. To quote Maize n blue, "Put him in a 3 technique and let him eat."

RDT - J. Henderson, a big, powerful, classic two gap DT that takes up space and absorbs blockers. A presence in the middle that must be accounted for by two men on every play, and sometimes a RB. You can set this guy in a 2 technique to occupy the OG and the Center, leaving the RDE singled up on the LT.

RDE - T. Brackens, a smaller yet very fast DE that is constantly pressing the edge of the Offense. He is on the LT's hip immediately after the snap and also has the flexibility to drop back for the Zone Blitz when needed. Hopefully, this is what B. Smith grows up to be.

With this type of an alignment, you can pretty much dictate to the Offense where the single up matchups are going to be. Also, it doesn't put as much of a strain on the personnel dept. to go and find you several huge guys just to stock the DT rotation. It allows for more flexibility and creativity along the Front.



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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:49 PM


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as many three down players that you can get is what you want.  guys who can do both.  however it is harder to find the guys who can rush the passer than those who can stop the run.  when you have the pluggers you can afford to get some specialists to get after the QB.  on this team we are probably going to have the lead a lot, and we are going to put teams in long down and distance so downhill one gap penetrators and edge rushers come on down if you cna't find the stud three down guys. 



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Posted Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:13 PM




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jj82284 (4/1/2008)
As many three down players that you can get is what you want.  guys who can do both...

...so downhill one gap penetrators and edge rushers come on down if you cna't find the stud three down guys. 

Amen, amen, and amen brother. The only problem is that those 3-Down guys are really hard to find. That's why I like minimizing the need for them.

They can't all be Reggie White.



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