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| |  Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:16 PM | |
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| HardcoreMoJagFan (2/13/2008)
Hey I didn't do anything except post his predictions, and then post whatever statistics were behind it? I gave the guy credit for several rights and left most open for interpretation? It's people like you that automatically jump to conclusions that I was saying every statement he made was wrong, no where in the post did I maliciously attack the guy? I just took the quotes he had posted throughout the past off-season and PM'd myself and posted them along with statistics throughout the season behind him. I even so much as obliged that you cannot really ramp on the draft at this point because of the small amount of time between the draft and now. I don't know why you love the guy, but you jumped to his defense before even reading most of what I wrote... I put it out there for people's interpretation, not claiming win or loss anywhere. I put some variables to potentially sway people's thought's elsewhere... I don't love the guy and even stated that in I was not defending him in the very first line of my post. I should have stated it better that my first couple statements were not directed at you per say but to all people who start threads that seem or appear to be calling out someone else for their predictions. If that was not your intent then I apologize for lumping you in with the others on this board that do tend to hammer people to the stake when they make a bad prediction. And for the record I read the entire post.  |
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:17 PM | |
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| Odd that the initial ost stopped at the 4th round, actually, no it isn't, it wouldn't fit into the OP's agenda if he had to include Mason Crosby with the 6th round and Amhad Bradshaw with the 7th round pick, both of whom I had in my pre-draft hopefuls at each round.
Also, thanks Duece for the help. Despite the objection by the author, he knew exactly what he was -trying- to do...good thing that there are posters like yourself that can see past the initial stats for examples like the Nelson/ Griffin debate and also point out that the QB rankings I made were essentially dead on.
Also, regarding Dennis Northcutt in the initial post - were those the actual stats I predicted before the season? If so, **** I'm good.
Regarding Quentin Moses...if Miami keeps him, I wouldn't write his career off just yet, although HMJF is.
I will admit, the Huard prediction bombed, no excuses on that one.
Theres actally another 2007 prediction thread on here somewhere, that was made just after the Leftwich release, in which I also was the only one on the thread that posted that Garrard would have a pro bowl level season. I notice how that is never ever brought up by people like the initial author, too.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:18 PM | |
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| | I believe... and I won't stake my life on this because I don't remember all the draft day trades... But I believe by passing on Griffin and taking Nelson we also acquired the picks to get Podlesh and Landri... Once again, I won't argue one way or the other for Griffin or Nelson (way to early to make a call): but the argument could easily be Nelson, Landri, and Podlesh OR Griffin? Granted Landri is being extremely highly thought of right now because of his Pittsburgh game, but still those three or Griffin alone?
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:18 PM | |
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| HardcoreMoJagFan (2/13/2008)
And your argument about Stallworth... Let's think about this for a minute, while it might have been based upon him playing more, the fact remains they paid that much money for a third wide receiver who didn't even put up great stats. Stallworth was in the most prolific passing offense in history. He was the third wide receiver and he was marginal at best? Remember what Stokely did as the third wide receiver in Indy during Manning's career season? You can say that argument was based upon the outcome, but the fact remains is the Patriots gave a ton of money to a guy who produced, but not at a very high level? hey I agree with you and even stated that TMDs prediction on Donte' was wrong and way off base. I personally thought DS was overrated before the Pats signed him and this past season only cements that perception for me. |
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:19 PM | |
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| duece (2/13/2008)
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Hey I didn't do anything except post his predictions, and then post whatever statistics were behind it? I gave the guy credit for several rights and left most open for interpretation? It's people like you that automatically jump to conclusions that I was saying every statement he made was wrong, no where in the post did I maliciously attack the guy? I just took the quotes he had posted throughout the past off-season and PM'd myself and posted them along with statistics throughout the season behind him. I even so much as obliged that you cannot really ramp on the draft at this point because of the small amount of time between the draft and now. I don't know why you love the guy, but you jumped to his defense before even reading most of what I wrote... I put it out there for people's interpretation, not claiming win or loss anywhere. I put some variables to potentially sway people's thought's elsewhere... I don't love the guy and even stated that in I was not defending him in the very first line of my post. I should have stated it better that my first couple statements were not directed at you per say but to all people who start threads that seem or appear to be calling out someone else for their predictions. If that was not your intent then I apologize for lumping you in with the others on this board that do tend to hammer people to the stake when they make a bad prediction. And for the record I read the entire post. Oh I am absolutely calling him out on his predictions. I'm just not making statements one way or the other against them. I'm putting the facts out there and letting the debate be as it may be... I have my feelings, but those aren't so important as just seeing the history.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:19 PM | |
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| Psychop1 (2/13/2008)
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"If you want me to narrow it down to one choice each round it would probably be:
1st: S Griffin (as I told you all he WILL be the best Safety to emerge from this draft.
2nd: DE Quentin Moses
3a: OG Manuel Ramirez
3b: Trent Edwards
4a: Zak DeOssie
4b: Aundrae Allison" Looking now at picks:
S Michael Griffin - 54 Tackles (41 solo) 3 Int's 1 FF, 7 PDs
S Reggie Nelson - 62 Tackles (57 solo) 1 sack, 5 Int's, 1 FF, 11 PDs DE Quentin Moses - 8 Tackles (7 solo) 1.5 sacks: cut twice
LB Justin Durant - 49 Tackles (40 solo) 1 sack, 1 Int, 2 PDs
OG Manuel Ramirez - DNP, Backup LG for Lions
QB Trent Edwards - 1,630 Yards, 7 TDs, 8 Ints, 70.4 Rating (Shows promise)
WR Mike Walker - DNP, IR LB Zak DeOssie - 6 Solo Tackles
WR Aundrae Allison - 8 Receptions 122 Yards, 1 KR Touchdown
P Adam Podlesh - 41.6 Punt Average, 14 in20, 6 in10, 2 TB
OLB Brian Smith - DNP, IR Bolded are the guys our front office drafted, obviously. We got Podlesh and Landri by not taking Trent Edwards. "I;m mad because none of these players drafted after Durant, other than maybe the punter, are going to amount to anything of relevance in this league.
Watch & see." AFC South QB Rankings 1. Manning 2. Schaub
3. Young
4. Leftwich Probably fine considering, but really what we know is Manning had another good year, Young had another bad year, Schaub was hurt a fair amount of the year, and Leftwich wasn't here. Donte Stallworth will be a GREAT signing! 46 receptions, 697 yards, (15.2 avg), 3 td's (6 years $33.1 Million dollars)
Damon Huard will have a spectacular year. 2,257 Yards 11 Tds, 13 Ints, 76.8 rating, didn't end season as starter (Spectacular, might be over doing it)
Quinn Gray will be a better QB than Byron Leftwich. Could be true, not enough info. Byron Leftwich will get injured - TRUE Dennis Northcutt (5 years $17 million) - 44 receptions, 601 yards (13.7 avg), 4 TD's I am not going to throw down to much judgement, I was just providing as much facts as I could.
Fact still remains we won't know about the draft selections for a couple more years (I am saving that PM)... but early indications have me extatic Mad Dog wasn't drafting for us... Interesting statline on Griffin and Nelson. Only one thing though. Griffin played in five less games than Nelson. You also never hear Titan fans complaining about Griffin blowing coverage. Griffin >>>> Nelson Hey Psychop.....Let's not get stupid now. I don't think that Griffen is head and sholders better than Nelson nor vice versa. They were both rookies and both played well at times. yes Reggie blew some coverages but he also made some spectacular playes. |
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:23 PM | |
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| | TMD Ahhh but Mad Dog I didn't manipulate any of your quotes to fit my "agenda". Apparently I never got your predictions on the late round picks... I remember specifically in some old threads asking you for some bold predictions and then I copied and pasted them exactly into my PM box... this is what I am posting. Just what you gave me at the time... Nothing in bold was yours.... that was the differing thing, bold were my words, non-bold were yours. Northcutt was just put up there to show what we got for $15 million compared to what the Patriots got for $33 million.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:25 PM | |
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| | Also as I had to point out bolded words are mine, non-bolded are all exact copies of what I had in my PM box from Mad Dog. With that stated, will anyone show me where I did anything to influence my "agenda"? It would seem I took exactly what was sent, and put stats behind it. I even credited him more than I would ever have liked (Leftwich) and then laid off saying that it will take more than one year for absolute judgement of the draft class.
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| | | Posted Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:26 PM | |
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| HardcoreMoJagFan (2/13/2008)
I believe... and I won't stake my life on this because I don't remember all the draft day trades... But I believe by passing on Griffin and taking Nelson we also acquired the picks to get Podlesh and Landri... Once again, I won't argue one way or the other for Griffin or Nelson (way to early to make a call): but the argument could easily be Nelson, Landri, and Podlesh OR Griffin? Granted Landri is being extremely highly thought of right now because of his Pittsburgh game, but still those three or Griffin alone? HMJF I believe you are correct in your thinking of what happened with the trades on draft day. So in looking at it from this perspective give me Nelson, Podlesh and Landri over just Griffen any day of the week. If we are just looking at Nelson vs. Griffen then for me at this point (and this could change based on another year or two's production) it is a toss up. But I can say this....I am not as dissappointed now as I was on draft day when we took Nelson instead of Brady Quinn..  |
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| duece (2/13/2008)
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I believe... and I won't stake my life on this because I don't remember all the draft day trades... But I believe by passing on Griffin and taking Nelson we also acquired the picks to get Podlesh and Landri... Once again, I won't argue one way or the other for Griffin or Nelson (way to early to make a call): but the argument could easily be Nelson, Landri, and Podlesh OR Griffin? Granted Landri is being extremely highly thought of right now because of his Pittsburgh game, but still those three or Griffin alone? HMJF I believe you are correct in your thinking of what happened with the trades on draft day. So in looking at it from this perspective give me Nelson, Podlesh and Landri over just Griffen any day of the week. If we are just looking at Nelson vs. Griffen then for me at this point (and this could change based on another year or two's production) it is a toss up. But I can say this....I am not as dissappointed now as I was on draft day when we took Nelson instead of Brady Quinn.. Amen to that one... I am not sure I support all the draft juggling we did, and overall I don't think we had one of our better drafts... but at this point I am more willing to take the guys rounds 1-4 that we got than what Mad Dog had picked out. It's early and that could all easily change. Plus the Chad Nkang pick looks like an absolute special teams homerun... that player is a monster special teamer.
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