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RE: Aliens are a'coming!

MalabarJag — Sat, 17 May 2008 11:24:57 GMT

[quote][b]The Drifter (5/14/2008)[/b][hr] You look at the pace of Technology (and I'm not just talking about computers or the like) from the earliest days of man up until the 1950's. The pace was rather slow to say the least.

Well, it 1947 The Crash at Roswell "happened" (I'm usinging "" because some people believe nothing happened then). Look at the pace of technology since, it's 100X or better what it was up to that point.

Are we reverse engineering a UFO? probably. Have we made other contact? Again, probably. (I say probably because the Government MAY know about them but I can't say for certain)

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I disagree.

By 1947, humanity had already developed nuclear power. Since then we've failed to develop fusion power. We have developed fusion weapons, but these were conceptualized before 1947.

By 1947, humanity had already developed rocketry at the V-2 stage. In the last 50 years rocketry hasn't progressed any faster than automobile development did in it's first fifty years. We don't have anti-gravity, nuclear engines, or any propulsion system even close to the requirements for interstellar travel.

Likewise, we've only made normal incremental developments in the jet airplane technology developed during WW2 (before 1947).

Genetic engineering is a big part of the tech advance, but it has really only become a factor in the last ten to twenty years.

The transistor was also invented before 1947, although the first successful one was built shortly after Roswell. Still, I doubt an alien race capable of interstellar travel would use transistor technology large enough for humanity to discover and reverse engineer. Right now we put a billion transistors on a single silicon wafer. Maybe a case could be made for alien-tech computer development, but that's the only technology that really took off shortly after Roswell.

[quote][b]The Drifter (5/14/2008)[/b][hr] I just believe that we are an experiment and that the earth is a giant petri dish. And I believe that they are amongst us now, and have been visiting ever since time began, to assist us and check on our "progress". [/quote]

A race capable of interstellar travel would choose to expand to fill the galaxy. I don't see how any race could develop without at least some biological need to procreate and expand. A race would have little reason to avoid colonizing habitable planets without intelligent life. Why would they not colonize Earth? One explanation is that the aliens would find Earth unsuitable. If that's the case, it's unlikely they would show up in Roswell in a relatively human-looking spacecraft. Another is that they refused to colonize a planet with intelligent life. If intelligence is very rare, the odds are very much against the only other intelligent race in the galaxy appearing in the short time that humans have walked the Earth. If intelligence is more likely, then the first intelligent creatures would have appeared much earlier. Only one intelligent interstellar race will rule the galaxy. That one race must have been willing to wipe out, or at least suppress, all competition, yet leave humanity alone.

The alternative explanation that we were planted here (possibly as a colony) doesn't fly when you compare our DNA to that of other Earth animals. We clearly are genetically related to species that existed on Earth over a hundred million year ago. If life on earth was planted, it was planted nearly a billion years ago. For this explanation to work, it follows that an extraterrestrial race must have ruled the galaxy for nearly a billion years. If so, they've done an amazing job of covering up a billion years of evidence of their existence, only to blow it all by crashing a spacecraft in Roswell. It's much more likely that all of existence is just my dream, or someone else's computer program.

In any case, we would see some spectral evidence of extraterrestrial energy use in nearby star systems. It's unlikely that all of the nearby star systems are unsuitable for colonization.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

Jagwired'd — Sat, 17 May 2008 05:06:24 GMT

Michio Kaku came up with the idea that aliens could be visiting the planet by "folding" space, like a piece of paper. Remember, The fastest way to get from one side of a paper to another, is to fold it.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

KSoze — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:59:42 GMT

[quote][b]oface5446 (5/14/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]KSoze (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]Read the 13th Planet.[/quote]

What is it?[/quote]

its a book by Zacharius Stitchin (sp?) who ran theory that there was a 13th planet in close enough but wide enough orbit to settle earth and develop civilization.

He used alot of older religious (I am talking Sumerian religion) to develop this hypothesis.

One really cool part of the book shows a depiction of the solar system with Pluto and the sun as the central part of the system. Created by the Sumerians... which is interesting because Pluto was discovered until the 20th century.

I dont subscribe to the theory but found it really interesting.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

CowboyBarry — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:26:27 GMT

[quote][b]The Drifter (5/14/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]GAlanJag (5/14/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Drifter (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]The Aliens are here now, and have been here since man has walked the earth[/quote]

I'm curious, why do you believe this? I'm not trying to smack you, just curious about your opinions on why aliens would come here on a regular basis.[/quote]

I explain it like I told a friend some time ago.

You look at the pace of Technology (and I'm not just talking about computers or the like) from the earliest days of man up until the 1950's. The pace was rather slow to say the least.

Well, it 1947 The Crash at Roswell "happened" (I'm usinging "" because some people believe nothing happened then). Look at the pace of technology since, it's 100X or better what it was up to that point.

Are we reverse engineering a UFO? probably. Have we made other contact? Again, probably. (I say probably because the Government MAY know about them but I can't say for certain)

I just believe that we are an experiment and that the earth is a giant petri dish. And I believe that they are amonst us now, and have been visiting ever since time began, to assist us and check on our "progress".[/quote]

Drifter, I won't sit here and say you're wrong about your hypothesis (though I don't agree), but there are alternative explanations.

While the space age didn't really start until about midway through the 1900's, the exponential increase in the rate of technological development goes much farther back.

Other possibilities:

1. Up until a few hundred years ago clean, pure water was hard to come by. Many people drank more alcohol than anything else, and the ones who did drink water often drank water contaminated with human and animal waste, mercury, etc. This would obviously stunt the development of human brains, especially if it occurred during childhood. Now that people are able to access clean water more easily you could say that we're finally able to use our brains without issue.

2. Since the end of the Black Death in Europe the world's population has been steadily rising. Due to this more people are around to invent new things and provide labor-hours. This would also speed up development.

3. Technology builds upon itself. New technology allows you to build tools that make creating new technology faster and more efficient. Provided no outside variables change things, technology should continue to speed up in the future.

Again, not saying you CAN'T be right about it, just giving my :2cents: on alternative possibilities.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

oface5446 — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:09:00 GMT

[quote][b]Bjagfan (5/14/2008)[/b][hr][url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080514/sc_nm/pope_extraterrestrials_dc_4]When in Rome...[/url][/quote]

huh. 4 articles in one week? I was just kidding, but maybe there's something to it...

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

Bjagfan — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:05:42 GMT

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080514/sc_nm/pope_extraterrestrials_dc_4]When in Rome...[/url]

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

The Drifter — Wed, 14 May 2008 18:38:26 GMT

[quote][b]GAlanJag (5/14/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Drifter (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]The Aliens are here now, and have been here since man has walked the earth[/quote]

I'm curious, why do you believe this? I'm not trying to smack you, just curious about your opinions on why aliens would come here on a regular basis.[/quote]

I explain it like I told a friend some time ago.

You look at the pace of Technology (and I'm not just talking about computers or the like) from the earliest days of man up until the 1950's. The pace was rather slow to say the least.

Are we reverse engineering a UFO? probably. Have we made other contact? Again, probably. (I say probably because the Government MAY know about them but I can't say for certain)

I just believe that we are an experiment and that the earth is a giant petri dish. And I believe that they are amonst us now, and have been visiting ever since time began, to assist us and check on our "progress".

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

No Escape Claws — Wed, 14 May 2008 17:07:38 GMT

Whew....Had me worried there. Thought you were talking about Mexicans. Should have known though, no mention of the word illegal.....carry on. Nannoo nannoo.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

oface5446 — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:58 GMT

[quote][b]KSoze (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]Read the 13th Planet.[/quote]

What is it?

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

GAlanJag — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:43 GMT

[quote][b]KSoze (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]Read the 13th Planet.[/quote]

by whom?

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

KSoze — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:51:53 GMT

Read the 13th Planet.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

GAlanJag — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:50:51 GMT

[quote][b]The Drifter (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]The Aliens are here now, and have been here since man has walked the earth[/quote]

I'm curious, why do you believe this? I'm not trying to smack you, just curious about your opinions on why aliens would come here on a regular basis.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

The Drifter — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:48:00 GMT

The Aliens are here now, and have been here since man has walked the earth

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

oface5446 — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:42:21 GMT

[quote][b]GAlanJag (5/14/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]oface5446 (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]All in one week?! The media must be greasing the skids for the invasion!

UK's UFO sightings archive released

Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:30

The newly-released documents show how UFO sightings have been dealt with

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Government documents detailing UFO sightings from 1978 to 2002 have been released today by the National Archives.

The documents describe what has been seen and how the government responded.

These include people saying they saw lights in the sky over London's Waterloo Bridge, near-misses by pilots and claims of crop circles.

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/uks-ufo-sightings-archive-released-$1222677.htm

....

Astronauts say there must be life in space

2 days ago

TOKYO (AFP) — The human race will find life elsewhere in the universe as it pushes ahead with space exploration, astronauts back from the latest US space mission said Monday.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmewGF1KJFsLSecMeaFAiR8qS1oA

...

Top Japan official: UFOs 'definitely' exist

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

TOKYO - Japan's top government spokesman says, perhaps a little tongue in cheek, that he believes in UFOs.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Nobutaka Machimura made the remark while speaking to reporters today. Machimura was delivering the government's official response to an opposition legislator who is demanding an inquiry into what he says are "frequent reports of UFO sightings."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2007/12/18/4730252-ap.html

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Little green men about to make an appearance? Their arrival would sure make the dead zone until training camp more interesting!

...

Please note: Nothing political in here[/quote]

Oface, are you familiar with Michio Kaku? He's a theoretical physicist who teaches up at NYU? He's one smart (understatement of the year there) guy and here's a link to an article he wrote about levels of civilizations. He discusses in the article the possibility of aliens coming to Earth. I found the article very interesting so I thought you might also.

http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_et.php [/quote]

Thanks for posting what looks to be a real good read. I can't read it all now because I'm still at work. Obviously, I don't think aliens are on their way...although I do believe in life off of earth.

This guy has a very interesting approach, combining physics with philosophy.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

GAlanJag — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:18:31 GMT

[quote][b]oface5446 (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]All in one week?! The media must be greasing the skids for the invasion!

UK's UFO sightings archive released

Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:30

The newly-released documents show how UFO sightings have been dealt with

Printer friendly version

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/uks-ufo-sightings-archive-released-$1222677.htm

....

Astronauts say there must be life in space

2 days ago

TOKYO (AFP) — The human race will find life elsewhere in the universe as it pushes ahead with space exploration, astronauts back from the latest US space mission said Monday.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmewGF1KJFsLSecMeaFAiR8qS1oA

...

Top Japan official: UFOs 'definitely' exist

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

TOKYO - Japan's top government spokesman says, perhaps a little tongue in cheek, that he believes in UFOs.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2007/12/18/4730252-ap.html

...

Little green men about to make an appearance? Their arrival would sure make the dead zone until training camp more interesting!

...

Please note: Nothing political in here[/quote]

http://www.mkaku.org/articles/physics_of_et.php

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

jones&24 — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:58:13 GMT

**Puts on foil hat**

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

oface5446 — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:54:51 GMT

[quote][b]bustermj (5/14/2008)[/b][hr]Don't worry. Master Chief will stop them![/quote]

Dude, that was so last month!

Your name is Niko, now.

RE: Aliens are a'coming!

bustermj — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:51:45 GMT

Don't worry. Master Chief will stop them!

Aliens are a'coming!

oface5446 — Wed, 14 May 2008 15:44:08 GMT

All in one week?! The media must be greasing the skids for the invasion!

UK's UFO sightings archive released

Wednesday, 14 May 2008 11:30

The newly-released documents show how UFO sightings have been dealt with

Printer friendly version

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/uks-ufo-sightings-archive-released-$1222677.htm

....

Astronauts say there must be life in space

2 days ago

TOKYO (AFP) — The human race will find life elsewhere in the universe as it pushes ahead with space exploration, astronauts back from the latest US space mission said Monday.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmewGF1KJFsLSecMeaFAiR8qS1oA

...

Top Japan official: UFOs 'definitely' exist

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

TOKYO - Japan's top government spokesman says, perhaps a little tongue in cheek, that he believes in UFOs.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2007/12/18/4730252-ap.html

...

Little green men about to make an appearance? Their arrival would sure make the dead zone until training camp more interesting!

...

Please note: Nothing political in here