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RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

TheSpacePope — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:09:34 GMT

[quote][b]JagNGeorgia (7/1/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]jags fan_since 96 (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]

Hester shouldn't even scratch the list. He's a kick returner. [b][i]A kick returner[/i][/b].

You're not a Top 50 player if I can kick the ball out of bounds and eliminate your effect on the game.[/quote]

Iagree and disagree. The bears are gonna try to find other ways to utilize Hester. For example, they experimented with him at the wide out position alittle bit last year, and he showed a little bit of promise. However, promise means nothing until he can consistently prove himself useful in other ways, so right now it is hard to rank Hester. In my last post, Isaid that I think that the pole is a joke, however, I actually agree with Hester's ranking.[/quote]

No way. Hester was horrible when they placed him anywhere that wasn't KR.

Besides, Prisco is a stat ho.[/quote]

Because he doesn't watch the game so he really just has no idea.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

JagNGeorgia — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:13:29 GMT

I agree and disagree. The bears are gonna try to find other ways to utilize Hester. For example, they experimented with him at the wide out position a little bit last year, and he showed a little bit of promise. However, promise means nothing until he can consistently prove himself useful in other ways, so right now it is hard to rank Hester. In my last post, I said that I think that the pole is a joke, however, I actually agree with Hester's ranking. [/quote]

No way. Hester was horrible when they placed him anywhere that wasn't KR.

Besides, Prisco is a stat ho.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

JT Jag — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:30:22 GMT

"If this was a Top 100 list, Garrard would be in the just missed section. Maybe." - Prisco

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

ATLjag — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:34:51 GMT

I am surprised Jason Taylor, with over 45 sacks in the past 4 years, and 11 last year, did not even get an honorable consideration under the list of 50. He went from MVP to 'no top 50' with a very solid personal season last year....it doesn't make sense to me.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jaxjags625 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:38:53 GMT

i love how we are superbowl contenders and we only have one guy in the top 50

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

TheSpacePope — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:18:51 GMT

If anything Urlacher is more overrated now than ever.

I'd take him out and move Patrick Willis into his spot.

Mike Peterson is better than Urlacher.. put him in Willis' spot.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

Jag Fanatic — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:15:31 GMT

Demarcus Ware at #9?????? LOL!!! WOW!!! He might as well put Byron Leftwitch in the TOP 50. Come on PETE PRISCO! Wake up.

Charles Woodson in the Top 50? Get a Grip dude! I'd replace Brian Urlacker with Ray Lewis.

Pete is wack!

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

Alfie — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:14:36 GMT

[quote][b]jags fan_since 96 (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]

Hester shouldn't even scratch the list. He's a kick returner. [b][i]A kick returner[/i][/b].

You're not a Top 50 player if I can kick the ball out of bounds and eliminate your effect on the game.[/quote]

Iagree and disagree. The bears are gonna try to find other ways to utilize Hester. For example, they experimented with him at the wide out position alittle bit last year, and he showed a little bit of promise. However, promise means nothing until he can consistently prove himself useful in other ways, so right now it is hard to rank Hester. In my last post, Isaid that I think that the pole is a joke, however, I actually agree with Hester's ranking.[/quote]

I wouldn't even put Hester in the Top 100 until he proves he can do something else.

A few years ago would you have put Dante Hall in the Top 50?

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jackinblack — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:07:00 GMT

[quote][b]MalabarJag (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]jackinblack (6/30/2008)[/b][hr] We'll you won the debate. I'd take Wayne too. It's all about the QB. If you go from nothing in Oakland to all pro in New England, there's something wrong.[/quote]

And Reggie Wayne doesn't benefit from his QB? How would Reggie Wayne have looked on the 2006 Raiders?

[/quote]

That's why I'd say it's debatable. He's more physical and probably a better route runner than Moss though.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jags fan_since 96 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:59:59 GMT

[quote][b]Alfie (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]

Hester shouldn't even scratch the list. He's a kick returner. [b][i]A kick returner[/i][/b].

You're not a Top 50 player if I can kick the ball out of bounds and eliminate your effect on the game.[/quote]

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jags fan_since 96 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:47:56 GMT

I just kind of skimmed through not paying much attention, but when I saw Polamalu amongst the names of players who fell short of the top 50, I knew that the whole thing was a joke.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

MalabarJag — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:33:13 GMT

[quote][b]jackinblack (6/30/2008)[/b][hr] We'll you won the debate. I'd take Wayne too. It's all about the QB. If you go from nothing in Oakland to all pro in New England, there's something wrong.[/quote]

And Reggie Wayne doesn't benefit from his QB? How would Reggie Wayne have looked on the 2006 Raiders?

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

THE BLUPRINT — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:22:43 GMT

[quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]I thought of all these points to post about how bad that list is and then I just decided it wasn't worth it.

Allow me to quote some Jay-z:

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools,

'cuz people fom a distance can't tell who is who"

-That one's for you, Bluprint. (best album ever, btw)[/quote]

So would you say, stop with that childish ish I'm grown, please leave it alone, don't throw rocks at the throne?

[/quote]

Or maybe I would tell him (regarding making lists like that)

"Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you.

I don't know why your advisers 'aint fore warn you."[/quote]

I would like for the Jags (after July 26) to say something like

The takeover, the breaks over,

Hey lil soulja you aint ready for war, JAG to strong for yall.[/quote]

Nicely done. I don't think I can beat that and stay on topic![/quote]

Thank you. Yeah me and Jay-Z go way back. He is my cousin, on my mothers, sister, uncles, niece, brother, nephew, grandmom, step brother, adopted sons side.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

Alfie — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:22:40 GMT

[quote][b]jagabc6893 (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]Carson Palmer better than Jared Allen? Ernie Sims ahead of Patrick Willis? Devin Hester way down at #50? Yeah this list is not that great, but not as bad as his list from last year. IMO, Maurice Jones-Drew has got to be one of the 50 best at this point. He will be after thisseason if he can play like the last two years.[/quote]

Devin Hester "way down at #50"?

Hester shouldn't even scratch the list. He's a kick returner. [b][i]A kick returner[/i][/b].

You're not a Top 50 player if I can kick the ball out of bounds and eliminate your effect on the game.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

TYJax — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:01:39 GMT

[quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]I thought of all these points to post about how bad that list is and then I just decided it wasn't worth it.

Allow me to quote some Jay-z:

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools,

'cuz people fom a distance can't tell who is who"

-That one's for you, Bluprint. (best album ever, btw)[/quote]

So would you say, stop with that childish ish I'm grown, please leave it alone, don't throw rocks at the throne?

[/quote]

Or maybe I would tell him (regarding making lists like that)

"Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you.

I don't know why your advisers 'aint fore warn you."[/quote]

I would like for the Jags (after July 26) to say something like

The takeover, the breaks over,

Hey lil soulja you aint ready for war, JAG to strong for yall.[/quote]

Nicely done. I don't think I can beat that and stay on topic!

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

THE BLUPRINT — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:46:29 GMT

[quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]I thought of all these points to post about how bad that list is and then I just decided it wasn't worth it.

Allow me to quote some Jay-z:

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools,

'cuz people fom a distance can't tell who is who"

-That one's for you, Bluprint. (best album ever, btw)[/quote]

So would you say, stop with that childish ish I'm grown, please leave it alone, don't throw rocks at the throne?

[/quote]

Or maybe I would tell him (regarding making lists like that)

"Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you.

I don't know why your advisers 'aint fore warn you."[/quote]

I would like for the Jags (after July 26) to say something like

The takeover, the breaks over,

Hey lil soulja you aint ready for war, JAG to strong for yall.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jackinblack — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:45:13 GMT

[quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]jackinblack (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]IMO if you can beat someone up bad enough (Moss) that you completely take them out of their game, then how can they be a top 5 player?[/quote]

It's all about the stats, in which in Moss's case was all about Brady getting him the ball.

IMO, he's barely even a top 5 WR. I'd take A Johnson, TO, C Johnson, or Fitzgerald over him easily. Reggie Wayne would be debatable.[/quote]

Not for me its not. I like Moss, but I wouldn't blink to get Reggie Wayne, who can run any route you can think of.[/quote]

We'll you won the debate. I'd take Wayne too. It's all about the QB. If you go from nothing in Oakland to all pro in New England, there's something wrong.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

TYJax — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:34:35 GMT

[quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]I thought of all these points to post about how bad that list is and then I just decided it wasn't worth it.

Allow me to quote some Jay-z:

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools,

'cuz people fom a distance can't tell who is who"

-That one's for you, Bluprint. (best album ever, btw)[/quote]

So would you say, stop with that childish ish I'm grown, please leave it alone, don't throw rocks at the throne?

[/quote]

Or maybe I would tell him (regarding making lists like that)

"Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you.

I don't know why your advisers 'aint fore warn you."

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jagabc6893 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:33:06 GMT

Carson Palmer better than Jared Allen? Ernie Sims ahead of Patrick Willis? Devin Hester way down at #50? Yeah this list is not that great, but not as bad as his list from last year. IMO, Maurice Jones-Drew has got to be one of the 50 best at this point. He will be after this season if he can play like the last two years.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

THE BLUPRINT — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:25:07 GMT

[quote][b]jackinblack (6/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]IMO if you can beat someone up bad enough (Moss) that you completely take them out of their game, then how can they be a top 5 player?[/quote]

It's all about the stats, in which in Moss's case was all about Brady getting him the ball.

IMO, he's barely even a top 5 WR. I'd take A Johnson, TO, C Johnson, or Fitzgerald over him easily. Reggie Wayne would be debatable.[/quote]

Not for me its not. I like Moss, but I wouldn't blink to get Reggie Wayne, who can run any route you can think of.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

THE BLUPRINT — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:24:21 GMT

[quote][b]TYJax (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]I thought of all these points to post about how bad that list is and then I just decided it wasn't worth it.

Allow me to quote some Jay-z:

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools,

'cuz people fom a distance can't tell who is who"

-That one's for you, Bluprint. (best album ever, btw)[/quote]

So would you say, stop with that childish ish I'm grown, please leave it alone, don't throw rocks at the throne?

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

Chooch — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:14:00 GMT

Come on guys, is any of this a real surprise to you?

P. Prisco thinks in terms of stats first. In my opinion, he undervalues a lot of players simply because they don't generate numbers that are found in the box score. That's why he ranked M. Williams, a Defensive Lineman, at #6 when he was a part of a Defense that allowed over 4 yards per rush, and 325 rushing first downs! That's averaging over 20 rushing first downs per game.

Who cares though right? He still generated 14 sacks even though he was a starter on the 19th ranked Rush Defense in the league, and Reggie Williams, a WR, makes it a point to handle him every chance he gets on a crack back block.

It's his list and he gets to make it up however he wants, even if it does look like something a UF fan would come up with.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

TYJax — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:11:45 GMT

I thought of all these points to post about how bad that list is and then I just decided it wasn't worth it.

Allow me to quote some Jay-z:

"A wise man told me don't argue with fools,

'cuz people fom a distance can't tell who is who"

-That one's for you, Bluprint. (best album ever, btw)

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jackinblack — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:09:16 GMT

[quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]IMO if you can beat someone up bad enough (Moss) that you completely take them out of their game, then how can they be a top 5 player?[/quote]

It's all about the stats, in which in Moss's case was all about Brady getting him the ball.

IMO, he's barely even a top 5 WR. I'd take A Johnson, TO, C Johnson, or Fitzgerald over him easily. Reggie Wayne would be debatable.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

THE BLUPRINT — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:00:19 GMT

IMO if you can beat someone up bad enough (Moss) that you completely take them out of their game, then how can they be a top 5 player?

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

jackinblack — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:00:08 GMT

Urlacher doesn't even belong in the top 50.

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

Gimli:-englandjag — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:49:57 GMT

[quote][b]TheSpacePope (6/30/2008)[/b][hr]Wow.

That's a horrible list top to bottom and the just missed is even worse.

Now I have no respect for his credibility in writing about football.[/quote]

:yeahthat:

How many times did he write something like;

"He was injured last year, which means he sucked... But he is good I promise"

RE: Top 50 Players in the NFL today

TheSpacePope — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:45:46 GMT

Wow.

That's a horrible list top to bottom and the just missed is even worse.

Now I have no respect for his credibility in writing about football.

Top 50 Players in the NFL today

THE BLUPRINT — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:39:03 GMT

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but here you go.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10877567

6. Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans: Williams is making the Texans proud for passing on Reggie Bush and Vince Young to take this pass rusher. He might have been the league's best defensive player in the final eight weeks of 2007.
I like this ranking for Super Mario, because he is a beast.

49. Fred Taylor, RB, Jacksonville Jaguars: Taylor finally got his due last season with his first Pro Bowl appearance. At 32, he remains one of the biggest home-run threats in the league. His 5.4 per-carry average was second best among the league's best rushers to Peterson (5.6).