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RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

WVsNumeber1WR — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:23:26 GMT

Best Performers:

Paul Spicer
David Garrard
Matt Jones/Josh Scobee

Worst Performers:

Jerry Porter/Troy Williamson
Reggie Nelson/Rasheen Mathis
Fred Taylor/Maurice Jones Drew
Offensive and Defensve Lines

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

Criskahta — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:26:17 GMT

Yeah...In no particular order

Garrard...Is what it is

MJ...clap clap clap

ScoobyDoo...Great job!

Barnes...Taking things serious and playing like it IMO

Mathis...Hey hes a machine (Sorry the DLine keeps leaving you haging)

B Will...We need to clone him apparently

All linebackers...(See apology re: Mathis above)

Nay...In no particular order

Hayward...Explanation not needed just a moving company

Meir...What happened? Major let down

Spice...Looks like his fire whent out or something I'm clueless

Harvey...Eeehh whatever

T-Mac...I guess my expectations were entirely too high (My Fault)

Sensabaugh...Regressed big time IMO

Flo...Stinks

Porter...$$$

Walker...$$$ Hospital bills

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

40 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:39:41 GMT

I can't see how Harvey can be listed as a disappointment. Did folks honestly expect big numbers right out of the gate? If so then you, said fan, would be my biggest disappointment.

I didn't expect much from RW this year. Sure he had TDs last year but he isn't a stretch the field guy nor is he the best route runner. I tried to leave anyone off who was injured but Porter has flopped in every facet of the game when healthy.

Biggest Performers:
This is actually pretty easy.
(1) Matt Jones-Simply put the guy has changed his career and has changed a fan base. Good for him.
(2) David Garrard-With the injuries on the o-line David needed to step up. He struggled a bit at the start but now he basically is the offense.
(3) Josh Scobee-Deep kick offs and clutch FGs. He is reliable and he wins games.

Biggest Disappointments:
This too is easy.
(1) Jerry Porter-Injury or not he simply has not done anything to warrant the paycheck. Add the negative public image and he gets the top spot. When you fail to haul in a simply out pattern on 3rd down after complaining....
(2) Gerald Sensabaugh-Our nickel coverage has been horrible. Gerald was supposed to be a cornerstone at SS and too many 3rd down conversions have exposed this weakness. Add to that he filled in terribly when we had injuries to our starters.
(3) Rob Meier-As others have noted, our interior line is hurting. We are gutted regularly and we don't get a push up the middle on passing downs. I'm not sure I have heard his name called all year.

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

HURRICANE!!! — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:25:01 GMT

Disappointment:

1) Failure to realize the importance of Grady Jackson and Sammy Knight. Sammy made 2 game saving plays last year and was our leading tackler. Grady plugged the holes as we went on our December & January wins.

2) Tackling

3) Blank -- injuries are uncontrollable so I'll hold off judgement

Good things:

1) NO name on the stadium. We blew it. Forget it now with this economy .... maybe we can be Government Bailout Park.

2) No white sticks at the Steelers game. Why have they not realized this was the best gimmick in Jville history to drown out the terrible towels.

3) Matt Jones & Scobee

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:12:56 GMT

[quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]It has to do with the fact that our O-Line is the walking dead....and that the defense is stacking the box, I'm just a dissapointed in the running game as you, and we are prolly gonna have to wait til next year before we can get that smashmouth running game back[/quote]

Yep, I agree I just think the MJD is better than FT argument is stupid with our run game being in the state that it is. Lets face it, when a team wants to stop the run (unless they are soft), they will... whether it is MJD, FT, GJ, Barry Sanders, or Jim Brown :)

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

MJD=MVP2007 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:07:09 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Vic said the line was getting push against Cleveland[/quote]

MJD got the majority of the carries that game, not Fred... and was not good... at all, or even close

By the way, JDR called Vic out on that comment. I'm very skeptical of any of Vic's game evaluations, most of what he says is based on what someone tells him. Do you think the coaches are really going to tell the media guy the reality of the situation most of the time?[/quote]

Why do you think its always MJD in the on 3rd and 4th downs???[/quote]

Because that is how he is best used? They used him on 1st downs too in the Cleveland (Fred got dinged up I think) game and that did not work. Our run game in general has massive problems this year due to various reasons and it has nothing to do with the RB's themselves.

You don't think there is any possibility that both MJD and FT are as productive as they are (well, were) because of how/when they are used?[/quote]

It has to do with the fact that our O-Line is the walking dead....and that the defense is stacking the box, I'm just a dissapointed in the running game as you, and we are prolly gonna have to wait til next year before we can get that smashmouth running game back

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:00:28 GMT

[quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Vic said the line was getting push against Cleveland[/quote]

MJD got the majority of the carries that game, not Fred... and was not good... at all, or even close

By the way, JDR called Vic out on that comment. I'm very skeptical of any of Vic's game evaluations, most of what he says is based on what someone tells him. Do you think the coaches are really going to tell the media guy the reality of the situation most of the time?[/quote]

Why do you think its always MJD in the on 3rd and 4th downs???[/quote]

Because that is how he is best used? They used him on 1st downs too in the Cleveland (Fred got dinged up I think) game and that did not work. Our run game in general has massive problems this year due to various reasons and it has nothing to do with the RB's themselves.

You don't think there is any possibility that both MJD and FT are as productive as they are (well, were) because of how/when they are used?

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

MJD=MVP2007 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:57:10 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Vic said the line was getting push against Cleveland[/quote]

MJD got the majority of the carries that game, not Fred... and was not good... at all, or even close

By the way, JDR called Vic out on that comment. I'm very skeptical of any of Vic's game evaluations, most of what he says is based on what someone tells him. Do you think the coaches are really going to tell the media guy the reality of the situation most of the time?[/quote]

Why do you think its always MJD in the on 3rd and 4th downs???

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:54:50 GMT

[quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Vic said the line was getting push against Cleveland[/quote]

MJD got the majority of the carries that game, not Fred... and was not good... at all, or even close

By the way, JDR called Vic out on that comment. I'm very skeptical of any of Vic's game evaluations, most of what he says is based on what someone tells him. Do you think the coaches are really going to tell the media guy the reality of the situation most of the time?

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

MJD=MVP2007 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:50:13 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]AllTealAllReal (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]mojo fan (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams[/quote]

Just curious, why is Fred more of a disappointment than MJD?[/quote]

Because MJD has more touchdowns, yards, and big plays.[/quote]

So Fred is a disappointment because he got injured in one of the two games where we actually had a running game. Gotcha[/quote]

So whats your point??[/quote]

That our run game sucks and its not the backs fault =), remember when everyone wanted MJD to get the majority of the carries and he did the following game and did worse than FT?[/quote]

Vic said the line was getting push against Cleveland

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:49:04 GMT

[quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]AllTealAllReal (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]mojo fan (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams[/quote]

Just curious, why is Fred more of a disappointment than MJD?[/quote]

Because MJD has more touchdowns, yards, and big plays.[/quote]

So Fred is a disappointment because he got injured in one of the two games where we actually had a running game. Gotcha[/quote]

So whats your point??[/quote]

That our run game sucks and its not the backs fault =), remember when everyone wanted MJD to get the majority of the carries and he did the following game and did worse than FT?

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

jagmedic08 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:48:40 GMT

3 biggest performers

1. Garrard, 2. Matt Jones, 3.Josh Scobee

3 biggest disappointments

1. Jerry Porter at 91%

2. Collier career ending

3. Jerry Porter shops at Publix

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

MJD=MVP2007 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:47:34 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]AllTealAllReal (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]mojo fan (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams[/quote]

Just curious, why is Fred more of a disappointment than MJD?[/quote]

Because MJD has more touchdowns, yards, and big plays.[/quote]

So Fred is a disappointment because he got injured in one of the two games where we actually had a running game. Gotcha[/quote]

So whats your point??

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:38:46 GMT

[quote][b]AllTealAllReal (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]mojo fan (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams[/quote]

Just curious, why is Fred more of a disappointment than MJD?[/quote]

Because MJD has more touchdowns, yards, and big plays.[/quote]

So Fred is a disappointment because he got injured in one of the two games where we actually had a running game. Gotcha

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

AllTealAllReal — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:27:28 GMT

Because MJD has more touchdowns, yards, and big plays.

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

GCM — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:06:09 GMT

UP: Scobee, Garrard, Jones

Down:Meier....is he still a Jaguar...check the stats...AWOL
Peterson...great tackler 10 yards down the field. No holding the point of attack.
Harvey...failed expectations at best.

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

Bjagfan — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:36:22 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]mojo fan (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams[/quote]

Just curious, why is Fred more of a disappointment than MJD?[/quote]

I don't agree with Freddy being a disappointment; but at the same time, you gotta forgive a man who drops a screen when, just a few games before, he ran forward with his helmet on backwards after an attempt to decapitate him, IMHO.

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

CrackMonster — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:32:39 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]mojo fan (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams[/quote]

Just curious, why is Fred more of a disappointment than MJD?[/quote]

Simple.

Taylor is on the brink of a HoF career and needs to show up strong.

Yet, his stats don't conclude anything of the like.

Easy.

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:28:23 GMT

[quote][b]mojo fan (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams[/quote]

Just curious, why is Fred more of a disappointment than MJD?

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

mojo fan — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:58:58 GMT

Best performers:
1) Matt Jones
2) Josh Scobee
3) David Garrard/Rashean Mathis

Biggest Disappointments:
1) Fred Taylor
2) Jags D-line
3) Greg Williams

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

JaguarJosh2006 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:45:35 GMT

Yeah Fred is very disappointing this year thus far. I am not going to blame him I just wanted to see him have one more great year for the record books sake. Oh well, maybe this is the week he gets on track.

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

MJD=MVP2007 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:35:27 GMT

[quote][b]hendershot (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]It's been a disappointing season so far but I was thinking about who's done well and who's been the biggest disappointment so far this season. Here are my choices:

Best Performers:

1) Matt Jones. Although he hasn't scored much, he's stepped up his play considerable in a year where he was in danger of being cut.

2) David Garrard. He's carrying the offense with the ground game struggling.

3) Khalif Barnes. I think he's played well despite a patchwork offensive line.

Biggest Disappointments:

This is much tougher because there's a lot of candidates here. I can't really pick Mojo or Fred because the running lanes aren't there for them to run.

1) Rob Meier. I didn't think losing Stroud would be a very big deal between Meier and McDaniel but boy was I wrong. Granted, Strould didn't do much for us the last couple of years between his injuries and suspension. However, the D line just isn't the same and Meier seems non-existent most of the time.

2) Reggie Williams. Still a great blocker but the guy simply hasn't produced in a contract year.

3) Justin Durant. The biggest problem on defense is a complete lack of playmakers. Where's the big play? How about a sack, strip and fumble recovery? Something, anything![/quote]

I wouldn't put Durant in there, alot of guys playing worse than he is.....

Top 3: David, Matt, Scobee

Not so Top 3: JP, Reggie Williams, Fred Taylor

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

deLiGHT — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:33:57 GMT

I don't think Durant is a disappointment at all.

Mike Peterson is a disappointment. Put him there. Durant doesn't belong anywhere on the disappointment list tbh...

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

JaguarJosh2006 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:32:14 GMT

Uppers - Garrard, M. Jones, Scobee

Downers - Florence, Porter, Harvey

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

Buckethead — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:24:23 GMT

Disappointment: Myself... I never seem to be early to my seats, my head is often wandering when I should be focused on the play at hand, and I'm costing the team yardage with too many 'unsportsmanlike' penalties.

Performers: Much more than three... [u]Multitudes[/u] of beautiful young ladies passing by my seats, as I try to remain attentive to the game. These ladies are there to distract, and are doing the job as well as I have ever seen it done.

RE: 3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

Bjagfan — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:21:47 GMT

Performers = Scobee, DG, Oline (bless 'em, they've tried)
Disappointment = Harvey, Spoon, Walker (I know it's not his fault)

3 Biggest Disappointments/3 Biggest Performers So Far

hendershot — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:58:41 GMT

It's been a disappointing season so far but I was thinking about who's done well and who's been the biggest disappointment so far this season. Here are my choices:

Best Performers:

1) Matt Jones. Although he hasn't scored much, he's stepped up his play considerable in a year where he was in danger of being cut.

2) David Garrard. He's carrying the offense with the ground game struggling.

3) Khalif Barnes. I think he's played well despite a patchwork offensive line.

Biggest Disappointments:

This is much tougher because there's a lot of candidates here. I can't really pick Mojo or Fred because the running lanes aren't there for them to run.

1) Rob Meier. I didn't think losing Stroud would be a very big deal between Meier and McDaniel but boy was I wrong. Granted, Strould didn't do much for us the last couple of years between his injuries and suspension. However, the D line just isn't the same and Meier seems non-existent most of the time.

2) Reggie Williams. Still a great blocker but the guy simply hasn't produced in a contract year.

3) Justin Durant. The biggest problem on defense is a complete lack of playmakers. Where's the big play? How about a sack, strip and fumble recovery? Something, anything!