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RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

mtownjag — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:23:08 GMT

[quote][b]Its Meier Time (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]ok.. i can see porter sitting, he was hurt, and hasnt showed anything since being injured... but what on earth is going on with florence.... Has anyone seen him do bad? blow coverages? get beat? I know i havent... i havent seen him getting interceptions, but i havent seen him play bad at all...

now we are going to move another 30 mill to the bench... and move williams, who is EXCELLING at safety and in the slot to CB... and move the inferior player in sensabaugh to full time SS?????

did anyone notice this last game? guess what happened when florence came in on the nickel package? florence would go to the outside CB spot, and williams would go to the Nickel...

so let me get this strait, hes not good enough to play CB on the outside on base, but in nickel he's better on the outside than williams??? so he's better on the outside in nickel, but not in base...

WHAT ON EARTH.... is this team imploding?? they are seeming to make STUPID decisions... the front office is dealing out all this money to then bench them??

florence has done nothing to be demoted...

basically... who would you rather have on the field... sensabaugh or florence... the team feels sensabaugh is the better option... what games are they watching...

this is ridiculous... 60 mill on the bench... TMD... im about as close as you can get to wanting a whole new FO[/quote]

Could it be that maybe, just maybe, you're not a professional scout or coach, and that they see something you don't?[/quote]

obviously these guys are not either. There is a reson there is not much competition to sign any of our free agents

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Krayz_Jville_D — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:49:17 GMT

Pirkster and alfie... when showing up only when you think you are right is accpetable

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

pirkster — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:45:27 GMT

Krayz_Jville_D:

Friendly, classy, and informative as ever I see.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Sammy — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:44:46 GMT

[quote][b]Alfie (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Krazy, you can apologize for calling me clueless anytime you want.[/quote]

Now that is funny, Pee your pants funny. :)

Sam

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Krayz_Jville_D — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:42:51 GMT

[quote][b]JagNGeorgia (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]ok.. i can see porter sitting, he was hurt, and hasnt showed anything since being injured... but what on earth is going on with florence.... Has anyone seen him do bad? blow coverages? get beat? I know i havent... i havent seen him getting interceptions, but i havent seen him play bad at all...

now we are going to move another 30 mill to the bench... and move williams, who is EXCELLING at safety and in the slot to CB... and move the inferior player in sensabaugh to full time SS?????

did anyone notice this last game? guess what happened when florence came in on the nickel package? florence would go to the outside CB spot, and williams would go to the Nickel...

so let me get this strait, hes not good enough to play CB on the outside on base, but in nickel he's better on the outside than williams??? so he's better on the outside in nickel, but not in base...

WHAT ON EARTH.... is this team imploding?? they are seeming to make STUPID decisions... the front office is dealing out all this money to then bench them??

florence has done nothing to be demoted...

basically... who would you rather have on the field... sensabaugh or florence... the team feels sensabaugh is the better option... what games are they watching...

this is ridiculous... 60 mill on the bench... TMD... im about as close as you can get to wanting a whole new FO[/quote]

Lol, please tell me you are joking... name ONE time buddy... you wont, cuz you cant[/quote]

Dude, he was beat for a touchdown against Cleveland.[/quote]

he was beat from the 5 yard line... give me a break... brian williams has given up just as many TD's this year.

this must mean we are going back to cover 2, cuz williams is too slow to be playing guys 1 on 1 on the outside... this team is imploding

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Krayz_Jville_D — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:41:49 GMT

[quote][b]Alfie (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Krazy, you can apologize for calling me clueless anytime you want.[/quote]

HAHAHA, nice of you to show up again alfie... how about you tell me how florence's 1 FF on his stats wasnt actually a FF.. or tell me how brian williams didnt give up that TD against stokley?

funny how you disappear when you look foolish, as you usually do, and then show back up.

your a disgrace

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

pirkster — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:39:26 GMT

[quote][b]Alfie (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]Krazy, you can apologize for calling me clueless anytime you want.[/quote]

I wouldn't hold my breath. Not his style.

I agreed with you and he ripped me for it, too.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Alfie — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:03:08 GMT

Krazy, you can apologize for calling me clueless anytime you want.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Freddy_T — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:59:14 GMT

Looking back on the year I don't remember anything Florence really has been doing poorly. I think the thing we are lacking the most from our secondary is the ability of the safeties to make stops in the running game. Everything else is on the DLIne

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

jagmedic08 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:32:22 GMT

[quote][b]johnny blade (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]jagmedic08 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]91% of 60 million is about 55.5 million... [/quote]

Actually, it would be 54.6 mil, but if you are paying 900k extra, I'll take it. B/c I'm elite![/quote]

I totally apologize, my highest score was a 91% in math, therefore I was off.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Jagwyer — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:30:25 GMT

[quote][b]jagmedic08 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]IMO I think that Reggie Nelson needs to be moved over to CB as he would be much better in man to man coverage than trying to understand the whole defensive scheme which is obviously over his head. Move B-Dub to FS and then Sensabaugh at SS...

Next year draft a prospect at SS..... Sensabaugh is a great athlete someone just needs to teach him how to tackle instead of throwing a shoulder into people. It has to be embarrasing for Del Rio who is known for his defensive prowless to have such a poor tackling team.[/quote]

I'm good with that also. Reggie is not very good at FS. Pre and Post bone bruise.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

JT Jag — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:18:44 GMT

I don't really like tooting my own horn, but Mathis/Williams/Florence with Nelson/Sensabaugh at safety was what I predicted the secondary to look like all preseason.

I caught a lot of flack for that.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

NickV124 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:06:28 GMT

[quote][b]JagNGeorgia (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Terracat05 (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Sense is better at SS then Florence is at #2 CB. Unfortunate the FO brought in another huge bust in FA. Florence was brought in to be a quality #2 CB to Mathis but him and James have been very inconsistent at best and just flat terrible at worst.[/quote]

what are you talking about? how has sensabaugh been a better SS? he has missed tackles, been terribly slow to react in coverage.

yes, james has been terrible. but how has florence been terrible? i love how no one gives examples, just says things with nothing to back it up...

being moved to nickel... IS BEING BENCHED, especially when he plays on the outside still when he's in[/quote]

Everyone knows how much you like Mathis. According to you, he's been nearly perfect all year long. You also say that Williams has performed well, and Florence is playing well, too. If that's the case... who is being thrown on?? Our secondary, as a unit, is horrible right now.[/quote]

While the secondary has given up quite a few big plays, a lot of that is due to the lack of a pass rush. Our secondary, as a unit, is not horrible right now. If the secondary change is being made b/c our blitzes aren't working (meaning we should run more zone) as Vic suggests, what's the larger problem? The secondary or the pass rush? We're fortunate that we have the depth to make these changes and can adjust to a different scheme.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

johnny blade — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:20:48 GMT

[quote][b]jagmedic08 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr]91% of 60 million is about 55.5 million... [/quote]

Actually, it would be 54.6 mil, but if you are paying 900k extra, I'll take it. B/c I'm elite!

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

PaulVonMexico — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:18:23 GMT

As usual the MB regulars have missed the obvious.... With MJ 18's Improved Play this year JDR is just audtioning this years version of Lil Del Rios Game Day Babysitter....:cool:

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

jagmedic08 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:36:38 GMT

91% of 60 million is about 55.5 million...

IMO I think that Reggie Nelson needs to be moved over to CB as he would be much better in man to man coverage than trying to understand the whole defensive scheme which is obviously over his head. Move B-Dub to FS and then Sensabaugh at SS...

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

diamondjag28 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:45:08 GMT

our organization is a mess right now

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

JagNGeorgia — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:31:36 GMT

Everyone knows how much you like Mathis. According to you, he's been nearly perfect all year long. You also say that Williams has performed well, and Florence is playing well, too. If that's the case... who is being thrown on?? Our secondary, as a unit, is horrible right now.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

JagNGeorgia — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:27:31 GMT

[quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]ok.. i can see porter sitting, he was hurt, and hasnt showed anything since being injured... but what on earth is going on with florence.... Has anyone seen him do bad? blow coverages? get beat? I know i havent... i havent seen him getting interceptions, but i havent seen him play bad at all...

now we are going to move another 30 mill to the bench... and move williams, who is EXCELLING at safety and in the slot to CB... and move the inferior player in sensabaugh to full time SS?????

did anyone notice this last game? guess what happened when florence came in on the nickel package? florence would go to the outside CB spot, and williams would go to the Nickel...

so let me get this strait, hes not good enough to play CB on the outside on base, but in nickel he's better on the outside than williams??? so he's better on the outside in nickel, but not in base...

WHAT ON EARTH.... is this team imploding?? they are seeming to make STUPID decisions... the front office is dealing out all this money to then bench them??

florence has done nothing to be demoted...

basically... who would you rather have on the field... sensabaugh or florence... the team feels sensabaugh is the better option... what games are they watching...

this is ridiculous... 60 mill on the bench... TMD... im about as close as you can get to wanting a whole new FO[/quote]

Lol, please tell me you are joking... name ONE time buddy... you wont, cuz you cant[/quote]

Dude, he was beat for a touchdown against Cleveland.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:07:32 GMT

[quote][b]Terracat05 (10/30/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Terracat05 (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Sense is better at SS then Florence is at #2 CB. Unfortunate the FO brought in another huge bust in FA. Florence was brought in to be a quality #2 CB to Mathis but him and James have been very inconsistent at best and just flat terrible at worst.[/quote]

what are you talking about? how has sensabaugh been a better SS? he has missed tackles, been terribly slow to react in coverage.

yes, james has been terrible. but how has florence been terrible? i love how no one gives examples, just says things with nothing to back it up...

being moved to nickel... IS BEING BENCHED[/quote]

He's always making mistakes in zone coverages, playing his man too loose in man-to-man on occasion, doesn't use his body vs the run, and has pretty rough footwork which leads to receivers getting open on him.

Where do you think QBs have been going vs us most of the season? At Mathis? Nelson? Williams? No, no and no. Florence and James have been inconsistent and terrible, respectively.

[/quote]

What is also interesting to me is that I heard an interview with Brian Williams where he mentioned that one of the things he found more difficult in playing safety is identifying and calling offenses to the defense. Switching BW to safety might have confused that even more than letting Sensebaugh do it as he had in past starts.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Terracat05 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:02:27 GMT

[quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Terracat05 (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Sense is better at SS then Florence is at #2 CB. Unfortunate the FO brought in another huge bust in FA. Florence was brought in to be a quality #2 CB to Mathis but him and James have been very inconsistent at best and just flat terrible at worst.[/quote]

what are you talking about? how has sensabaugh been a better SS? he has missed tackles, been terribly slow to react in coverage.

yes, james has been terrible. but how has florence been terrible? i love how no one gives examples, just says things with nothing to back it up...

being moved to nickel... IS BEING BENCHED[/quote]

He's always making mistakes in zone coverages, playing his man too loose in man-to-man on occasion, doesn't use his body vs the run, and has pretty rough footwork which leads to receivers getting open on him.

Where do you think QBs have been going vs us most of the season? At Mathis? Nelson? Williams? No, no and no. Florence and James have been inconsistent and terrible, respectively.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

yayo — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:00:19 GMT

[quote][b]Teal 'n Black (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]I didn't get to hear the show tonight, so you probably know better than I do. I still feel comfortable w/ D-Flo at nickle...Brian Williams still has enough to be a starting CB for us...it all rides on Sensabaugh making the plays he should.[/quote]

Well, that is what I took out of the show. I'm sure someone will listen to it once it was archived and bash me for some reason or another.

edit: Sensebaugh is a mystery to me, I'm still willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt due to his injuries last year (which most everyone in town ripped and discredited him as doing crap this season because of).

He doesn't make all the tackles like he should, and does sometimes get burned on his own coverage (from what I've seen is when a QB has a ridiculous amount of time to throw).

Bottom line to me: I'd rather have a coverage liability at safety than at corner, especially if we are back to the zone defense.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Teal 'n Black — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:55:54 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Teal 'n Black (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Teal 'n Black (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Florence hasn't been starting due to a groin injury. Do you not read any of Vic's articles on the front page? D-Flo will be back in the lineup when he is ready to play 100% of the game.[/quote]

Well that is kind of funny considering Vic said that one of Jack Del Rio's 'changes' appeared to be demoting Florence in this evenings show.[/quote]

That must be a change for this week then. Florence wasn't playing as much last week because he was limited by his groin...at least that is what Vic said earlier this week.

[/quote]

Don't know but listening to the show this evening it seemed set it stone that it was BW/RM/GS/RN in base packages until something changes.[/quote]

I didn't get to hear the show tonight, so you probably know better than I do. I still feel comfortable w/ D-Flo at nickle...Brian Williams still has enough to be a starting CB for us...it all rides on Sensabaugh making the plays he should.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

yayo — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:53:54 GMT

[quote][b]Teal 'n Black (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]yayo (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Teal 'n Black (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Florence hasn't been starting due to a groin injury. Do you not read any of Vic's articles on the front page? D-Flo will be back in the lineup when he is ready to play 100% of the game.[/quote]

Well that is kind of funny considering Vic said that one of Jack Del Rio's 'changes' appeared to be demoting Florence in this evenings show.[/quote]

That must be a change for this week then. Florence wasn't playing as much last week because he was limited by his groin...at least that is what Vic said earlier this week.

[/quote]

Don't know but listening to the show this evening it seemed set it stone that it was BW/RM/GS/RN in base packages until something changes.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

yayo — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:52:21 GMT

[quote][b]yayo (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Teal 'n Black (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Florence hasn't been starting due to a groin injury. Do you not read any of Vic's articles on the front page? D-Flo will be back in the lineup when he is ready to play 100% of the game.[/quote]

Well that is kind of funny considering Vic said that one of Jack Del Rio's 'changes' appeared to be demoting Florence in this evenings show.[/quote]

I know you like to ignore reality sometimes but here is what was said on the radio show tonight (by people that probably know more than you or I)

[radio show]
Florence's strong suit is man coverage which is what we would want when using the blitz packages we utilized early in the season. He is not that great at the zone coverage. Since we have abandoned the blitz packages he has become less effective than they would like.
[/radio show]

My take: I don't know if Florence was brought in before Greg Williams or not, but if that is the case the whole thing is a freaking mess right now.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Teal 'n Black — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:51:53 GMT

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Krayz_Jville_D — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:47:06 GMT

[quote][b]Terracat05 (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Sense is better at SS then Florence is at #2 CB. Unfortunate the FO brought in another huge bust in FA. Florence was brought in to be a quality #2 CB to Mathis but him and James have been very inconsistent at best and just flat terrible at worst.[/quote]

what are you talking about? how has sensabaugh been a better SS? he has missed tackles, been terribly slow to react in coverage.

yes, james has been terrible. but how has florence been terrible? i love how no one gives examples, just says things with nothing to back it up...

being moved to nickel... IS BEING BENCHED, especially when he plays on the outside still when he's in

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Krayz_Jville_D — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:46:47 GMT

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

yayo — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:46:35 GMT

[quote][b]Teal 'n Black (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]Florence hasn't been starting due to a groin injury. Do you not read any of Vic's articles on the front page? D-Flo will be back in the lineup when he is ready to play 100% of the game.[/quote]

Well that is kind of funny considering Vic said that one of Jack Del Rio's 'changes' appeared to be demoting Florence in this evenings show.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Teal 'n Black — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:44:35 GMT

Florence hasn't been starting due to a groin injury. Do you not read any of Vic's articles on the front page? D-Flo will be back in the lineup when he is ready to play 100% of the game.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Terracat05 — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:40:35 GMT

Sense is better at SS then Florence is at #2 CB. Unfortunate the FO brought in another huge bust in FA. Florence was brought in to be a quality #2 CB to Mathis but him and James have been very inconsistent at best and just flat terrible at worst.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Its Meier Time — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:37:40 GMT

[quote][b]Kareem (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]ok.. i can see porter sitting, he was hurt, and hasnt showed anything since being injured... but what on earth is going on with florence.... Has anyone seen him do bad? blow coverages? get beat? I know i havent... i havent seen him getting interceptions, but i havent seen him play bad at all...

now we are going to move another 30 mill to the bench... and move williams, who is EXCELLING at safety and in the slot to CB... and move the inferior player in sensabaugh to full time SS?????

did anyone notice this last game? guess what happened when florence came in on the nickel package? florence would go to the outside CB spot, and williams would go to the Nickel...

so let me get this strait, hes not good enough to play CB on the outside on base, but in nickel he's better on the outside than williams??? so he's better on the outside in nickel, but not in base...

WHAT ON EARTH.... is this team imploding?? they are seeming to make STUPID decisions... the front office is dealing out all this money to then bench them??

florence has done nothing to be demoted...

basically... who would you rather have on the field... sensabaugh or florence... the team feels sensabaugh is the better option... what games are they watching...

this is ridiculous... 60 mill on the bench... TMD... im about as close as you can get to wanting a whole new FO[/quote]

Lol, please tell me you are joking... name ONE time buddy... you wont, cuz you cant[/quote]"I like you man...but yer ~~crazy~~ Krayz."[/quote]

Fixed ;)

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Kareem — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:36:41 GMT

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Krayz_Jville_D — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:34:55 GMT

[quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (10/29/2008)[/b][hr]ok.. i can see porter sitting, he was hurt, and hasnt showed anything since being injured... but what on earth is going on with florence.... Has anyone seen him do bad? blow coverages? get beat? I know i havent... i havent seen him getting interceptions, but i havent seen him play bad at all...

now we are going to move another 30 mill to the bench... and move williams, who is EXCELLING at safety and in the slot to CB... and move the inferior player in sensabaugh to full time SS?????

did anyone notice this last game? guess what happened when florence came in on the nickel package? florence would go to the outside CB spot, and williams would go to the Nickel...

so let me get this strait, hes not good enough to play CB on the outside on base, but in nickel he's better on the outside than williams??? so he's better on the outside in nickel, but not in base...

WHAT ON EARTH.... is this team imploding?? they are seeming to make STUPID decisions... the front office is dealing out all this money to then bench them??

florence has done nothing to be demoted...

basically... who would you rather have on the field... sensabaugh or florence... the team feels sensabaugh is the better option... what games are they watching...

this is ridiculous... 60 mill on the bench... TMD... im about as close as you can get to wanting a whole new FO[/quote]

Lol, please tell me you are joking... name ONE time buddy... you wont, cuz you cant

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Its Meier Time — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:34:25 GMT

Could it be that maybe, just maybe, you're not a professional scout or coach, and that they see something you don't?

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Kareem — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:32:25 GMT

Somewhere in a gay bar in Philly, a mad dog is suddenly happy.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

TexasJagsFan — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:24:41 GMT

Florence isn't benched. He's moving to Nickle.

RE: What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

yayo — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:18:13 GMT

What is going on.. 60 mill on the bench????

Krayz_Jville_D — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:15:57 GMT

ok.. i can see porter sitting, he was hurt, and hasnt showed anything since being injured... but what on earth is going on with florence.... Has anyone seen him do bad? blow coverages? get beat? I know i havent... i havent seen him getting interceptions, but i havent seen him play bad at all...

now we are going to move another 30 mill to the bench... and move williams, who is EXCELLING at safety and in the slot to CB... and move the inferior player in sensabaugh to full time SS?????

did anyone notice this last game? guess what happened when florence came in on the nickel package? florence would go to the outside CB spot, and williams would go to the Nickel...

so let me get this strait, hes not good enough to play CB on the outside on base, but in nickel he's better on the outside than williams??? so he's better on the outside in nickel, but not in base...

WHAT ON EARTH.... is this team imploding?? they are seeming to make STUPID decisions... the front office is dealing out all this money to then bench them??

florence has done nothing to be demoted...

basically... who would you rather have on the field... sensabaugh or florence... the team feels sensabaugh is the better option... what games are they watching...

this is ridiculous... 60 mill on the bench... TMD... im about as close as you can get to wanting a whole new FO