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RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Taylor HOFer — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:43:02 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Arabspiderman (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]you know TMD is actually right. this isn't a problem that just appeared, its been brewing in this team for years. the problem is bad drafting over several years, not just this past year.

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This team is lacking playmakers all over the roster.

Shack must go. And do NOT hire the next GM from within.[/quote]

And where might I ask are the superstar playmakers on the Titans offense? That Bo Scaife is a blazer, he really gets in and out of his cuts and has that "suddenness" you look for. Mike Walker if he will ever be totally healthy has more talent in his pinkie than old Bo. Matt Jones is better than any receiver they have. Or how about Jones Drew vs. anyone in their backfield. Chris Johnson looks like he is gonna be good but I Jones Drew is clearly more talented. How well do the Jags do with getting him the ball in space, creating mismatches, ala Westbrook. Not very. There is a lack of creativity. But yet they are 7-0. I will agree with you and have in the past that this team has talent deficincies. BUT EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL DOES. Some much more than others, ie, Cincy, Detroit, SF, KC, Oak, etc. But then there is a finer line between 7-9 and 12-4, you need an edge. Jack consistently does not provide it. As much as the guy makes me cringe I would trade out Del Rio for Fisher in a heartbeat, the guy is a flat out better coach. He does more with less, at least on offense. If Fisher was the Jags coach do you honestly think they would be only 3-4 to this point? No. Coaching is the great divider in the NFL. The Dolphins were 1-15 last year. They have the EXACT same team this year with the exception of a qb that is decent. They have tripled their win total through 7 games. That aint just players playing better. It is preparation, a better system, getting guys in better positions to succeed. It makes all the difference in the world.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Steelo — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:41:55 GMT

[quote][b]Arabspiderman (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]you know TMD is actually right. this isn't a problem that just appeared, its been brewing in this team for years. the problem is bad drafting over several years, not just this past year.

i love my Jags just as much as everyone on this board, and Im gonna follow them till the end....no matter what. were gonna bounce back, i have faith in JDR.[/quote]

How has the problem been brewing in this team for years when we made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years?

And our draft picks are nowhere near as bad as some say they are.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

NickV124 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:02:48 GMT

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:12:19 GMT

[/quote]

This team is lacking playmakers all over the roster.

Shack must go. And do NOT hire the next GM from within.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

FBT — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:50:55 GMT

[quote][b]Steelo (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Steelo (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]
The ONLY reason this team is where it is now is because of the offensive line injuries which is getting ridiculous.

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OK, no need to discuss this anymore with you if you honestly believe that.

This team has MANY more problems than JUST that.

Wow.[/quote]

Typical TMD take one sentence out of the whole post lol.

ok now please tell me the main reason we lost to the Titans, Browns, and Steelers.

Why isn't our running game working at all?[/quote]

You have discovered the Neil & Bob tactic deployed by the barstool diva when confronted with something that he simply doesn't want to answer. He cherry picks the things that get his skirt fluttering, but avoids anything that causes his self love fest to retreat.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Arabspiderman — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:44:49 GMT

you know TMD is actually right. this isn't a problem that just appeared, its been brewing in this team for years. the problem is bad drafting over several years, not just this past year.

i love my Jags just as much as everyone on this board, and Im gonna follow them till the end....no matter what. were gonna bounce back, i have faith in JDR.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:36:19 GMT

[quote][b]InsanenasnI (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/27/2008)[/b]

I just followed the NFL. Not a fav team back then.[/quote]

I was hoping you would say that you were a Jets fan - It would explain why you dislike Harris so much.

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Would be more a fan of the Giants than Jets, if any back then. Parcells. Lawrence Taylor.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

InsanenasnI — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:20:23 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/27/2008)[/b]

I just followed the NFL. Not a fav team back then.[/quote]

I was hoping you would say that you were a Jets fan - It would explain why you dislike Harris so much.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Steelo — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:19:53 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Steelo (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]
The ONLY reason this team is where it is now is because of the offensive line injuries which is getting ridiculous.

[/quote]

OK, no need to discuss this anymore with you if you honestly believe that.

This team has MANY more problems than JUST that.

Wow.[/quote]

Typical TMD take one sentence out of the whole post lol.

ok now please tell me the main reason we lost to the Titans, Browns, and Steelers.

Why isn't our running game working at all?

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:16:40 GMT

[quote][b]Steelo (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]
The ONLY reason this team is where it is now is because of the offensive line injuries which is getting ridiculous.

[/quote]

OK, no need to discuss this anymore with you if you honestly believe that.

This team has MANY more problems than JUST that.

Wow.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Steelo — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:11:09 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Steelo (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]winathome (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]The Jaguars are not tough anymore, nor are they fast. The Jaguar defense is now a bunch of mediocre guys playing in a league of pros.[/quote]

Agreed.

But make sure we assess NO blame to the front office for this. Even though it is directly traced to them.

Lets put the blame on Jack & the coaches, even though Vince Lombardi in his prime couldn't win with this group of "talent".[/quote]

Colts AND Chargers look good.

according to you they are both the most talented teams in the league but they are both worse than the Jags with WAY LESS injuries.

Did Shack bully you in high school?[/quote]

Are you dating Shack? Why so OVERprotective of such a MEDIOCRE GM???

What the hell have the Jags WON with James Harris at GM? They have won ONE wild card game over 6 seasons and you try to use the Colts ONE season where they are doing poorly, despite the fact that the Colts had won 5 straight division titles and a superbowl.

I've never seen such loyalty to such an average coach or GM in my life as ou people are to James Harris.

Funny, though, most of you aren't as quick to defend jack Del Rio, so what does that tell you?...[/quote]

I defend Shack because you are COMPLETELY obsessed with him. You talk trash about him in 99.5% of your post. You must of forgot that this team was TERRIBLE a couple of years before Harris got here and he rebuilt it nicely. His first round draft picks you constantly complain about aren't even nearly as bad as you say they are. Rashean Mathis is probably the best defensive player this team has ever had and who drafted him? oh yeah Shack Harris did. Maurice Jones-Drew is the best play maker this team has ever had and who drafted him? oh yeah Shack Harris. Even the best linebacker we ever had in Mike Peterson was signed by Shack Harris. The ONLY reason this team is where it is now is because of the offensive line injuries which is getting ridiculous.

And another thing Shack Harris isn't the one going for 4th down conversions in field goal range. Who ever says the coaching isn't one of the main reasons doesn't know what they're talking about.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:10:05 GMT

[quote][b]InsanenasnI (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]TMD, before the Jags came into existence; for which team did you root? [/quote]

I just followed the NFL. Not a fav team back then.

And I'm not ditching the Jags now.

Harris will be gone soon enough and then I will be happy the Jags will be able to get their personnel back on the right track, and half this board will be so depressed, they will want to jump off the st Johns bridge because their love for James Harris is greater than their loyalty to the FRANCHISE and what is best for it.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

InsanenasnI — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:05:23 GMT

TMD, before the Jags came into existence; for which team did you root?

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Utopia — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:03:13 GMT

C'mon! You all are missing the problem.

It is Hurricane Katrina's fault, which was Dubya's fault.

Get your facts straight. :w00t::hehe:

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

the Chiefjag — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:55:41 GMT

It depends on the situation more than anything. If the play is likely to be a run play between the tackles you call for a run stuffing defense. You only have the players you have and if they can't get it done then it's tough. If it's a pass play and you gamble on a corner blitz but the blitz doesn't get to the QB and the DB's don't cover then it's tough.

A Defensive Coordinator is not going to call plays based upon his personnel at the expense of calling the correct defense first.

Regards.............the Chiefjag

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:53:26 GMT

[quote][b]Steelo (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]winathome (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]The Jaguars are not tough anymore, nor are they fast. The Jaguar defense is now a bunch of mediocre guys playing in a league of pros.[/quote]

Agreed.

But make sure we assess NO blame to the front office for this. Even though it is directly traced to them.

Lets put the blame on Jack & the coaches, even though Vince Lombardi in his prime couldn't win with this group of "talent".[/quote]

Colts AND Chargers look good.

according to you they are both the most talented teams in the league but they are both worse than the Jags with WAY LESS injuries.

Did Shack bully you in high school?[/quote]

Are you dating Shack? Why so OVERprotective of such a MEDIOCRE GM???

What the hell have the Jags WON with James Harris at GM? They have won ONE wild card game over 6 seasons and you try to use the Colts ONE season where they are doing poorly, despite the fact that the Colts had won 5 straight division titles and a superbowl.

I've never seen such loyalty to such an average coach or GM in my life as ou people are to James Harris.

Funny, though, most of you aren't as quick to defend jack Del Rio, so what does that tell you?...

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

kingsbay1 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:53:15 GMT

[quote][b]winathome (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]The Jaguars are not tough anymore, nor are they fast. The Jaguar defense is now a bunch of mediocre guys playing in a league of pros.[/quote]

Ummmm....No. This is the same defensive personnel from last year. Have some gotten a little long in the tooth and a step slower, yes. It's the DC's job to recognise that and compensate for it either by replacing them or scheming around the things they can't do. If he can't do that he won't have a job long or the coach won't have a job long. That simple.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Steelo — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:48:32 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]winathome (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]The Jaguars are not tough anymore, nor are they fast. The Jaguar defense is now a bunch of mediocre guys playing in a league of pros.[/quote]

Agreed.

But make sure we assess NO blame to the front office for this. Even though it is directly traced to them.

Lets put the blame on Jack & the coaches, even though Vince Lombardi in his prime couldn't win with this group of "talent".[/quote]

Colts AND Chargers look good.

according to you they are both the most talented teams in the league but they are both worse than the Jags with WAY LESS injuries.

Did Shack bully you in high school?

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

Jagwads 96 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:48:23 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]treetrunk32jones (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]Jags are not going to talk to any other coacher, I am sure they have their mind right with Del Rio. Whats with everyone blaiming the coach, It's not his fault that everyone played bad.[/quote]

because it is not politically correct to place the blame on the front office, re: Shack.

The personnel is the problem here, but all most people want to do is blame the coaches.

It's pitiful, really. But not surprising.[/quote]

:spam::spam::spam:

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:44:15 GMT

[quote][b]winathome (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]The Jaguars are not tough anymore, nor are they fast. The Jaguar defense is now a bunch of mediocre guys playing in a league of pros.[/quote]

Agreed.

But make sure we assess NO blame to the front office for this. Even though it is directly traced to them.

Lets put the blame on Jack & the coaches, even though Vince Lombardi in his prime couldn't win with this group of "talent".

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:42:04 GMT

[quote][b]RnRoutlaw (10/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]Its players not plays...........GW doesn't have the players that he needs for his style of Defense[/quote]

While "players not plays" is the new hot phrase to throw around it is only part of the equation. If a coach is not evaluating talent correctly and running schemes that fit to the talents of your players then he is failing at his job.

If we don't have the players to run, say a deep slant, (even if it is the right play call at the time) and the play fails than yes, players not plays. However, if we continue to call that play knowing we don't have the proper personel to execute it blame begins to fall on the coaches.

In other words, if something is continuously not working and you continue to attempt the same failing schemes and plays than something has to change. Usually that something is the coach.[/quote]

Yeah, but maybe the plays that are being called ARE the best plays for the personnel we have and yet they STILL cannot execute. The coaches know via practice what plays have the highest percentage chance of working for what personnel they put on the field at a given time, and they aren't going to call a play that they think has the lowest chance of working out with the given personnel.

The problem is, as I said before, there is just a LACK of playmakers all oer this roster. Stick your head n the sand, or keep overrating these players all you want. Thats your problem.

The Jags problem is a lack of playmakers.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

winathome — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:40:37 GMT

The Jaguars are not tough anymore, nor are they fast. The Jaguar defense is now a bunch of mediocre guys playing in a league of pros.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

The Mad Dog — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:37:43 GMT

[quote][b]treetrunk32jones (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]Jags are not going to talk to any other coacher, I am sure they have their mind right with Del Rio. Whats with everyone blaiming the coach, It's not his fault that everyone played bad.[/quote]

because it is not politically correct to place the blame on the front office, re: Shack.

The personnel is the problem here, but all most people want to do is blame the coaches.

It's pitiful, really. But not surprising.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

RnRoutlaw — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:53:05 GMT

[quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/28/2008)[/b][hr]Its players not plays...........GW doesn't have the players that he needs for his style of Defense[/quote]

In other words, if something is continuously not working and you continue to attempt the same failing schemes and plays than something has to change. Usually that something is the coach.

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

MJD=MVP2007 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:28:36 GMT

Its players not plays...........GW doesn't have the players that he needs for his style of Defense

RE: It's not the coaches fault...

3-Gun Guy — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:56:53 GMT

Bottom line, it's the DC who is responsible for the defense, and Del Rio for the entire team. The buck stops there.

It's not the coaches fault...

treetrunk32jones — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:38:38 GMT

Jags are not going to talk to any other coacher, I am sure they have their mind right with Del Rio. Whats with everyone blaiming the coach, It's not his fault that everyone played bad.