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RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

LJS1993 — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:24:42 GMT

[quote][b]Utopia (10/16/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]40 (10/16/2008)[/b][hr]Bump to coincide with infi's self serving "Ask" thread.[/quote]

Another TMD clone. A very poor one at that.[/quote]

I concur. A fine example of ignorance and an overall misunderstanding of football acumen.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Utopia — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:18:14 GMT

[quote][b]40 (10/16/2008)[/b][hr]Bump to coincide with infi's self serving "Ask" thread.[/quote]

Another TMD clone. A very poor one at that.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

40 — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:02:41 GMT

Bump to coincide with infi's self serving "Ask" thread.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

JaxJag_1 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:09:29 GMT

Mike Pete probably should be benched, but I don't see Jack benching him. Jack and Mike Pete have been here together since 2003 and it's kind of similar to Terry Cousin last year, TC was one of Jack's boys so Terry kept playing even though he was downright bad

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Jagwar — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:24:55 GMT

We agree, oface.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

oface5446 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:23:14 GMT

[quote][b]Jagwar (10/15/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]oface5446 (10/15/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Jagwar (10/15/2008)[/b][hr]Mike Peterson is done. He looks old and slow, and is constantly "guessing" out there. Mostly guessing wrong. I have made a point of watching him (as much as you can on TV...) on every play and he is constantly filling the wrong hole, chasing the wrong receiver, or jumping on a guy who has already been tackled by someone else. Benching Mike Pete and sliding Smith over won't solve everything, but it will help. We aren't going to be able to solve everything this year. We simply are not a dominant defense this year.

We should be looking at trading for Anquan Boldin if he gets healthy (the WR Free Agent crop for this off-season sucks), and signing Johnathan Vilma. Julius Peppers will also be available, but there is no way we go there since we just invested so much this past off-season at that position.[/quote]

How much of that 'guesswork' is Gregg Williams' you think?[/quote]

Ah Yes... an excellent point. There is a rather large variable there. But, Gregg Williams has had success everywhere else he's been. And Mike's decline is not as sudden as some seem to think. I remember him running around in circles chasing Vince Young in the 2007 season opener as well.

In general, though, your right. Only the coaches know for sure.[/quote]

Oh, I agree, Mike Pete moves like he's slathered in frozen molasses. He's old and it has definitely slowed him down. But it is Gregg's schemes (it seems to me) that is having the more adverse effect on his play. As opposed to the basic "read and react" I've seen from him in the past, he's being asked to function as a portion of a called play. In other words, he isn't putting himself out of position with poor judgment/lack of speed, but Williams is with his 'sexy' defense.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Jagwar — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:17:45 GMT

[quote][b]oface5446 (10/15/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Jagwar (10/15/2008)[/b][hr]Mike Peterson is done. He looks old and slow, and is constantly "guessing" out there. Mostly guessing wrong. I have made a point of watching him (as much as you can on TV...) on every play and he is constantly filling the wrong hole, chasing the wrong receiver, or jumping on a guy who has already been tackled by someone else. Benching Mike Pete and sliding Smith over won't solve everything, but it will help. We aren't going to be able to solve everything this year. We simply are not a dominant defense this year.

How much of that 'guesswork' is Gregg Williams' you think?[/quote]

In general, though, your right. Only the coaches know for sure.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

oface5446 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:11:43 GMT

[quote][b]Jagwar (10/15/2008)[/b][hr]Mike Peterson is done. He looks old and slow, and is constantly "guessing" out there. Mostly guessing wrong. I have made a point of watching him (as much as you can on TV...) on every play and he is constantly filling the wrong hole, chasing the wrong receiver, or jumping on a guy who has already been tackled by someone else. Benching Mike Pete and sliding Smith over won't solve everything, but it will help. We aren't going to be able to solve everything this year. We simply are not a dominant defense this year.

How much of that 'guesswork' is Gregg Williams' you think?

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Jagwar — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:10:08 GMT

Mike Peterson is done. He looks old and slow, and is constantly "guessing" out there. Mostly guessing wrong. I have made a point of watching him (as much as you can on TV...) on every play and he is constantly filling the wrong hole, chasing the wrong receiver, or jumping on a guy who has already been tackled by someone else. Benching Mike Pete and sliding Smith over won't solve everything, but it will help. We aren't going to be able to solve everything this year. We simply are not a dominant defense this year.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

KingIngram052787 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:03:36 GMT

[quote][b]oface5446 (10/15/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FTLJagFan (10/15/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Theres no way Marcedes should be benched....not because he's NOT disappointing, but because we honestly have nobody better at this point.

I would draft another TE next year with the intent of supplanting Marcedes TE1 spot, unless he really elevates his game over the rest of the season..

Theres like 2/3 rds of the leagues starting TE's thats outproducing Marcedes....and he was a first rounder.[/quote]

Hmm, not sure where you are getting your stats from. I am not a big fantasy fan myself, as things like blocking are undervalued in those stats, but from what I read, Marcedes is the 12th best rated in the NFL. I imagine you might just cut and paste the11 above him as part of your in-depth analysis and expertise, but who are the other9 guys you would pick?

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/historical-te-2008.php [/quote]

OOOhhh, but we could have had Heath Miller!!

Oh, right.[/quote]

I like Heath...

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

oface5446 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:19:54 GMT

[quote][b]FTLJagFan (10/15/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Theres no way Marcedes should be benched....not because he's NOT disappointing, but because we honestly have nobody better at this point.

I would draft another TE next year with the intent of supplanting Marcedes TE1 spot, unless he really elevates his game over the rest of the season..

Theres like 2/3 rds of the leagues starting TE's thats outproducing Marcedes....and he was a first rounder.[/quote]

Hmm, not sure where you are getting your stats from. I am not a big fantasy fan myself, as things like blocking are undervalued in those stats, but from what I read, Marcedes is the 12th best rated in the NFL. I imagine you might just cut and paste the 11 above him as part of your in-depth analysis and expertise, but who are the other 9 guys you would pick?

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/historical-te-2008.php [/quote]

OOOhhh, but we could have had Heath Miller!!

Oh, right.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

FTLJagFan — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:04:00 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Theres no way Marcedes should be benched....not because he's NOT disappointing, but because we honestly have nobody better at this point.

I would draft another TE next year with the intent of supplanting Marcedes TE1 spot, unless he really elevates his game over the rest of the season..

Theres like 2/3 rds of the leagues starting TE's thats outproducing Marcedes....and he was a first rounder.[/quote]

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/historical-te-2008.php

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

40 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:29:53 GMT

Another prime example of your inconsistency when evaluating players. Nice call OftenWrong.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

40 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:27:04 GMT

[quote][b]infenit101 (10/9/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]freddytaylor28 (10/9/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]infenit101 (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Reggie Williams (Couldn't run a crisp route if his life depended on it)
Mike Peterson (slow and old....NEXT!)
Will James (should never play another down of Football ever again)
Marcedes Lewis (Not fit to be a TE, might make a good Tackle, couldn't catch a cold)
I would also bench Reggie Hayward for the remainder of the year just so Harvey gets more PT.

:yeahthat:[/quote]

Well your Lame and boring and this post makes NO sence. you could of saved us all the time...

NEXT![/quote]

It makes plenty of sense. If you don't like my thread get the hell out and never post in it again. You tool.[/quote]

Remind me who the tool is? I would argue that the tool is the fan who has knee jerk reactions to players based on a very small number of games. Bench Lewis...dumb at it's zenith.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:02:45 GMT

[quote][b]JaxJagsForever (10/13/2008)[/b][hr]What knee surgery? I had no idea he was hurt.[/quote]

This is exactly why I wish there was an ignore feature on this board. You would be the first person I would add to that list. Every post I have seen form you I would file in the circular bin.

Any and everyone who is a fan of this them know that Jerry Porter hurt his hamstring in the offseason, and knows that Reggie hurt his knee.

It is completely clear that these injuries are lingering for these guys.

I would expect that OHIO'S #1 JAGUARS WOMAN would know a little bit about football and the Jaguars Team.

Also, Matt Jones improved his effort because he wanted to keep his job. I truly believe if Jerry and Reggie were healthy, Jones would have been released after his arrest, and probably would have been done with football. But with the injuries got another shot, and competed to keep his job. Good fishing equipment doesn't come cheap.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

JaxJagsForever — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:29:49 GMT

What knee surgery? I had no idea he was hurt.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

LJS1993 — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:54:09 GMT

[quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/13/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]infenit101 (10/9/2008)[/b][hr]I didn't intend to spell it the normal way you dummy . But that is OT.

Williams and Lewis need to be cut in the offseason.[/quote]

WE NEED TO CUT LEWIS NOW!!!!!

PS...............go crawl in that hole of yours[/quote]

:w00t::w00t::w00t:

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

MJD=MVP2007 — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:46:12 GMT

[quote][b]infenit101 (10/9/2008)[/b][hr]I didn't intend to spell it the normal way you dummy . But that is OT.

Williams and Lewis need to be cut in the offseason.[/quote]

WE NEED TO CUT LEWIS NOW!!!!!

PS...............go crawl in that hole of yours

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

LJS1993 — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:21:14 GMT

[quote][b]JaxJagsForever (10/13/2008)[/b][hr]Does anybody think Matt Jones improved this season because he heard us say he's not a good receiver? I mean there are people who get their motivation from hearing their critics doubt they have any ability. Or was the humility of being deactivated a few times (actually being named third-string quarterback) all he needed to change? Whatever it was, if Reggie Williams gets the same treatment, I hope that helps him next year.

BTW before you say we need to get a tight end out of the draft, remember there is a guy named Tony Gonzalez looking for a trade.:)[/quote]

Man, such a simple view of looking at things. You forget that the main issue with Matt Jones was something called EFFORT, a quality that has never plagued Reggie Williams. Reggie Williams is suffering from two things. One, coming off a knee surgery, and two, a very crowded corps of recievers who are getting the job done. Think a little more beyond the simple, it will help you understand this game much better.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Teal 'n Black — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:17:53 GMT

It was nice to see Koetter drawing up some plays to get Marcedes on the run in the middle of the field. He is a VERY athletic TE when matched up against LB. That was a nice catch/hit/run for the TD yesterday. I haven't really compared the 2 plays, but it looked similar to the route he ran for the TD against Pittsburgh, just a little longer. It will be nice to see more of that over the next few weeks.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

JaxJagsForever — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:05:46 GMT

Does anybody think Matt Jones improved this season because he heard us say he's not a good receiver? I mean there are people who get their motivation from hearing their critics doubt they have any ability. Or was the humility of being deactivated a few times (actually being named third-string quarterback) all he needed to change? Whatever it was, if Reggie Williams gets the same treatment, I hope that helps him next year.

BTW before you say we need to get a tight end out of the draft, remember there is a guy named Tony Gonzalez looking for a trade.:)

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Ultimate Jag — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:33:10 GMT

I don't think that anybody would argue the fact that Will James should be dropped like a bad habit. I don't know what the FO was thinking when they signed him. :thumbdown:

I also hate to admit it, but Mike Pete probable needs to go. I hate to see it happen, but everyone has to go at some point and time, and this is probably his. He's lost a step. I thought that he would play so much harder this year, with the contract issues and everything, but it sure doesn't look like it. :crying:

As far as Reggie and Marcedes go, the jury is still out. Reggie makes some catches that are just unbelievable. However, he doesn't seem to be able to get open at all. He's also a heck of a blocker, and with the problems on the O-Line we can't afford to lose that. As far as Marcedes goes, there's no excuse for all of the dropped passes this season. But the last two weeks, he seems like he's starting to come around (I hope). Either way, I think that you have to give him one more season. Look at Matt, we were all ready to send him packing at the end of the season last year, and he's become the most reliable receiver on the team.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

TCnJax — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:02:55 GMT

Lewis is still developing in my opinion yes its taken time but hes gone through different coordinators and he still shows alot of talent. ok he had some key drops this year. but today he really stepped it up. let the guy gain his confidence back and see how he does. i believe he is our best TE on the roster so theres no way we bench him. maybe draft another TE is a thought but benching him at this point wouldnt be the smart thing to do.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

JaxJagsForever — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:18:40 GMT

I don't think it is smart to bench anyone who is doing everything he can as good as he can on every play and has enough talent to make a difference. Reggie Hayward, obviously, has shown he is still a good defensive end and does not deserve to stay on the bench. Anyone who thinks our defensive line would be better without Reggie is either blind, ignorant, or stupid. The last thing you want is to have both startiers at defensive end be rookies while facing an offensive line better than yours. Harvey and Groves need time to learn the playbook and get ready for subsitution duty first so we won't see a dropoff in talent whenever a switch is made.

Whoever thinks Mike Peterson is the problem with our defense need to wake up. He is one of 11 defensive players and even if he was benched somebody else will have a bad day. The real problem is behind him - no Reggie Nelson, no Drayton Florence, now no Pierson Prioleau (pronounced PRAY-lou) either. Good thing Florence played.

Last year, many posters said they want to see Harris cut or trade away Matt Jones because he was terrible. After seeing what happened when Harris did not cut Jones in the offseason (Matt is the leading receiver on the team), I wonder why we have not been nice to Reggie Williams. What if #11 comes back next year and does what #18 is doing now? Did you ever think of that?

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

JT Jag — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:30:13 GMT

[quote][b]JT Jag (10/9/2008)[/b][hr]Anyone who thinks we should bench Marcedes is a . He's had bad games, yes... but he's the best non-lineman blocker on the team and he's a better receiver then Angulo. If Estandia were doing ANYTHING this year he might get some consideration seeing how natural a receiver he's been, but you can't put your trust in a guy who's been just riding the bench.[/quote]Hi-five!

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

LJS1993 — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:09:35 GMT

Man, I hope this guy crawls back under the hole he came from and never comes back. This team doesn't need fans like this.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

HardcoreMoJagFan — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:49:31 GMT

Cool or fool?

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

LJS1993 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:38:41 GMT

[quote][b]Jags Avenger (10/9/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]infenit101 (10/9/2008)[/b][hr]I didn't intend to spell it the normal way your . But that is OT.

Williams and Lewis need to be cut in the offseason.[/quote]

You need to be cut right now.[/quote]

I agree, this guy is done, stick a fork in him.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

infenit101 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:06:53 GMT

[quote][b]freddytaylor28 (10/9/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]infenit101 (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Reggie Williams (Couldn't run a crisp route if his life depended on it)
Mike Peterson (slow and old....NEXT!)
Will James (should never play another down of Football ever again)
Marcedes Lewis (Not fit to be a TE, might make a good Tackle, couldn't catch a cold)
I would also bench Reggie Hayward for the remainder of the year just so Harvey gets more PT.

:yeahthat:[/quote]

Well your Lame and boring and this post makes NO sence. you could of saved us all the time...

NEXT![/quote]

It makes plenty of sense. If you don't like my thread get the hell out and never post in it again. You tool.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

freddytaylor28 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:05:52 GMT

[quote][b]infenit101 (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Reggie Williams (Couldn't run a crisp route if his life depended on it)
Mike Peterson (slow and old....NEXT!)
Will James (should never play another down of Football ever again)
Marcedes Lewis (Not fit to be a TE, might make a good Tackle, couldn't catch a cold)
I would also bench Reggie Hayward for the remainder of the year just so Harvey gets more PT.

:yeahthat:[/quote]

Well your Lame and boring and this post makes NO sence. you could of saved us all the time...

NEXT!

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

JT Jag — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:54:55 GMT

Anyone who thinks we should bench Marcedes is a . He's had bad games, yes... but he's the best non-lineman blocker on the team and he's a better receiver then Angulo. If Estandia were doing ANYTHING this year he might get some consideration seeing how natural a receiver he's been, but you can't put your trust in a guy who's been just riding the bench.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Jags Avenger — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:42:37 GMT

Dude, just my opinion.

Grow a brain.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

infenit101 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:41:56 GMT

Sorry I forgot can't say nothing bad about the team. That makes you an "unfan". Grow a set....seriously. Stop getting emotionally attached to scrub players.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Jags Avenger — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:40:47 GMT

[quote][b]infenit101 (10/9/2008)[/b][hr]I didn't intend to spell it the normal way your . But that is OT.

Williams and Lewis need to be cut in the offseason.[/quote]

You need to be cut right now.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

infenit101 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:40:06 GMT

I didn't intend to spell it the normal way you dummy . But that is OT.

Williams and Lewis need to be cut in the offseason.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Jags Avenger — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:40:02 GMT

Yeah.

Why do people think they know anything about anything? :unsure:

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Buckethead — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:37:45 GMT

Or fans that cannot spell infinite.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

infenit101 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:25:21 GMT

[quote][b]Jags2DaDeath (10/9/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]JAGFAN4EVER! (10/9/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]infenit101 (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Reggie Williams (Couldn't run a crisp route if his life depended on it)
Mike Peterson (slow and old....NEXT!)
Will James (should never play another down of Football ever again)
Marcedes Lewis (Not fit to be a TE, might make a good Tackle, couldn't catch a cold)
I would also bench Reggie Hayward for the remainder of the year just so Harvey gets more PT.

:yeahthat:[/quote]

I guess you missed Lewis's TD[/quote]

Yeah how can we miss that ONE in all of the 5 games he has played.[/quote]

With all the passing TD's this season, you would think Marcedes would have more, right?

:doze:[/quote]

You can't argue with fellow fans that continue to think with their heads in the sand.

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

Jags2DaDeath — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:51:14 GMT

I guess you missed Lewis's TD[/quote]

Yeah how can we miss that ONE in all of the 5 games he has played.[/quote]

With all the passing TD's this season, you would think Marcedes would have more, right?

:doze:

RE: Players that should be benched immediately.

infenit101 — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:39:11 GMT

[quote][b]JAGFAN4EVER! (10/9/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]MJD=MVP2007 (10/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]infenit101 (10/8/2008)[/b][hr]Reggie Williams (Couldn't run a crisp route if his life depended on it)
Mike Peterson (slow and old....NEXT!)
Will James (should never play another down of Football ever again)
Marcedes Lewis (Not fit to be a TE, might make a good Tackle, couldn't catch a cold)
I would also bench Reggie Hayward for the remainder of the year just so Harvey gets more PT.

:yeahthat:[/quote]

I guess you missed Lewis's TD[/quote]

Yeah how can we miss that ONE in all of the 5 games he has played.[/quote]

I know right. He only made crucial drops on a couple of plays....he's reached his potential....yeah of being terrible.

Why do some of these delusional fans want to keep these scrubs. Reggie and Marcedes in particular just do not produce. Give it up! And Reggie at TE? What a joke!