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RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

jagibelieve — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:21:23 GMT

[quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/10/2008)[/b][hr]See, I can at least be open-minded about certain topics or admit when I am wrong.

You can do neither.[/quote]
That's pretty much the case with TMD as well as some others on here.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Alfie — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:17:30 GMT

IIRC, Norman was thrown into starting last year when Meester was hurt.

This year, he gets the whole preseason before the games count.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

huffdaddy52 — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:14:00 GMT

[quote][b]JacksJags (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??[/quote]

You said you did the research about the beginning of the year when Norman was out, same happened at the end of the season.[/quote]

Huh?

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

huffdaddy52 — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:12:57 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??[/quote]

Did you also notice that the team had just cut the starting quarterback that they had been preparing to start the season with, and had crafted the playbook around?

Or, did you notice that they were installing a brand new offense last year at the start of the season?

Meester's absence won't be as significant as you think. Norman will be fine.

As far as starting off slow, what was our record after 4 games last year?

I think you're being a little paranoid.[/quote]

Good points.

I guess I was being paranoid. ;)[/quote]

Jeezus dude....one post by FBT & your "convinced".

Have some conviction.

I mean one punch & you're out??

I think your initial post does raise some concerns.

FBT is never going to admit that the team has any problems. He always says "X player will be fine" or "whatever sapect of the team will be fine".

It will take more than that for me to be convinced.

Lets see THIS years team start off 3-1 with this schedule, and maybe the next time FBT says "we'll be fine" I will give that more cred.[/quote]

Well, he raised some points that I didn't think about while starting this thread. It's called being open-minded.

But you wouldn't know anything about that would you, TMD?

After you were praising the new regime in Houston for drafting Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans, etc, I corrected you and reminded you that Charlie Casserly made those picks, you then back-tracked by saying he was a lame duck GM that had nothing to do with those picks...

See, I can at least be open-minded about certain topics or admit when I am wrong.

You can do neither.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

FBT — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:20:01 GMT

[quote][b]JaxFlJon (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]what is a "sapect" ?[/quote]

That would be the tapered end of a barstool leg. It's ribbed.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

FBT — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:17:16 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Jeezus dude....one post by FBT & your "convinced".

Have some conviction.

I mean one punch & you're out??

I think your initial post does raise some concerns.

FBT is never going to admit that the team has any problems. He always says "X player will be fine" or "whatever sapect of the team will be fine".

It will take more than that for me to be convinced.

Lets see THIS years team start off 3-1 with this schedule, and maybe the next time FBT says "we'll be fine" I will give that more cred.[/quote]

This team could start off 4-0 and you'd still find something to whine and moan about because that's just who you are.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Krayz_Jville_D — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:48:25 GMT

[quote][b]Zero0101 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Its Meier Time (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]I hate helping out TMD, but we rushed for 131.5 yards/game without Meester and 150.3 yards with him.

Still if we kept that pace of 131.5/game for the year, we'd be the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.[/quote]

I just looked that up too. The fact of the matter is though that the increase in rushing yards had nothing to do with Meester's return and everything to do with Fred Taylor exploding after the game in Tennessee. The rushing offense will be fine with or without Brad Meester. I'm more curious to see how the pass blocking is working out, considering we are trying to throw the ball deep more often.[/quote]

I think the biggest factor to our run game improving was maurice williams at RG. If anyone watched him on some of fred's big runs, he was the main reason. He was incredible at RG last year.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

HardcoreMoJagFan — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:43:23 GMT

I'm wondering if it's the YPC he was referencing... the way Tennessee rushed on us last season I cannot imagine we had that many carries in that game.

YPG doesn't tell the entire story.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

JvilleJag2 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:36:54 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]I find that hard to believe.

Our rushing game down the stretch was averaging like 160 YPG.

I don't remember our rushing game being all that effective in the opener or following week against the Falcons.[/quote]Yea but the whole team didn't play well early on. Even against the Falcons or Titans the defense could have been better. Norman is more than capable and, not to sound trite, "will be fine."

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Utopia — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:28:34 GMT

[quote][b]ruger (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]:offtopic:

but SHOCK HORROR Vince Manuwai has cut off his hair: http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?userphoto=0&image=19950630&thispage=1 - this sucks I loved it when he had the 'fro sticking out from under the helmet. Hopefully he'll grow it back for the winter.[/quote]

LOL!!!!!! That's AWESOME! He looks just like "Chef" from South Park now. :LOL::LOL::LOL:

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Zero0101 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:26:57 GMT

[quote][b]Its Meier Time (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]I hate helping out TMD, but we rushed for 131.5 yards/game without Meester and 150.3 yards with him.

Still if we kept that pace of 131.5/game for the year, we'd be the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.[/quote]

I just looked that up too. The fact of the matter is though that the increase in rushing yards had nothing to do with Meester's return and everything to do with Fred Taylor exploding after the game in Tennessee. The rushing offense will be fine with or without Brad Meester. I'm more curious to see how the pass blocking is working out, considering we are trying to throw the ball deep more often.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

ruger — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:26:14 GMT

:offtopic:

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

jtmoney — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:10:35 GMT

[quote][b]Its Meier Time (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]I hate helping out TMD, but we rushed for 131.5 yards/game without Meester and 150.3 yards with him.

Still if we kept that pace of 131.5/game for the year, we'd be the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.[/quote]

I wonder what Tom was referring to then. He couldn't have been that far off. Hmmm, I dion't know.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Krayz_Jville_D — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:51:16 GMT

o so i wasnt wrong about the patriots starters... hmm ray rice is still god tho

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Gabe — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:44:49 GMT

[quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Its Meier Time (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]I hate helping out TMD, but we rushed for 131.5 yards/game without Meester and 150.3 yards with him.

Still if we kept that pace of 131.5/game for the year, we'd be the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.[/quote]

Don't feel bad. I know it suck though. His ego might go up another notch.[/quote]

20 yards is so much though. :doze:

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Gabe — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:44:08 GMT

[quote][b]Titanjag (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??[/quote]

Did you also notice that the team had just cut the starting quarterback that they had been preparing to start the season with, and had crafted the playbook around?

Or, did you notice that they were installing a brand new offense last year at the start of the season?

Meester's absence won't be as significant as you think. Norman will be fine.

As far as starting off slow, what was our record after 4 games last year?

I think you're being a little paranoid.[/quote]

Good points.

I guess I was being paranoid. ;)[/quote]

Jeezus dude....one post by FBT & your "convinced".

Have some conviction.

I mean one punch & you're out??

I think your initial post does raise some concerns.

FBT is never going to admit that the team has any problems. He always says "X player will be fine" or "whatever sapect of the team will be fine".

It will take more than that for me to be convinced.

Lets see THIS years team start off 3-1 with this schedule, and maybe the next time FBT says "we'll be fine" I will give that more cred.[/quote] we are all going to find out just how good Norman is week one. Haynesworth is no joke to deal with and when he was in in our first game with TN we did very little on the ground. One thing TN does well is play the run. Fat Albert is their key and it does concern me he will be going up against Norman. I know Norman will get help but that means KVB and Kearse gets singled. I think week one will tell us alot about our team for 08. [/quote]

Some would rather not wait until week one to tell us about our team for 2008.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

THE BLUPRINT — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:43:53 GMT

[quote][b]Its Meier Time (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]I hate helping out TMD, but we rushed for 131.5 yards/game without Meester and 150.3 yards with him.

Still if we kept that pace of 131.5/game for the year, we'd be the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.[/quote]

Don't feel bad. I know it suck though. His ego might go up another notch.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

JacksJags — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:42:24 GMT

[quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??[/quote]

You said you did the research about the beginning of the year when Norman was out, same happened at the end of the season.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Titanjag — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:41:21 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??[/quote]

Did you also notice that the team had just cut the starting quarterback that they had been preparing to start the season with, and had crafted the playbook around?

Or, did you notice that they were installing a brand new offense last year at the start of the season?

Meester's absence won't be as significant as you think. Norman will be fine.

As far as starting off slow, what was our record after 4 games last year?

I think you're being a little paranoid.[/quote]

Good points.

I guess I was being paranoid. ;)[/quote]

Jeezus dude....one post by FBT & your "convinced".

Have some conviction.

I mean one punch & you're out??

I think your initial post does raise some concerns.

FBT is never going to admit that the team has any problems. He always says "X player will be fine" or "whatever sapect of the team will be fine".

It will take more than that for me to be convinced.

Lets see THIS years team start off 3-1 with this schedule, and maybe the next time FBT says "we'll be fine" I will give that more cred.[/quote] we are all going to find out just how good Norman is week one. Haynesworth is no joke to deal with and when he was in in our first game with TN we did very little on the ground. One thing TN does well is play the run. Fat Albert is their key and it does concern me he will be going up against Norman. I know Norman will get help but that means KVB and Kearse gets singled. I think week one will tell us alot about our team for 08.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Its Meier Time — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:36:37 GMT

I hate helping out TMD, but we rushed for 131.5 yards/game without Meester and 150.3 yards with him.

Still if we kept that pace of 131.5/game for the year, we'd be the 6th best rushing attack in the NFL.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

THE BLUPRINT — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:34:53 GMT

[quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]apparently its ok that rice did bad, cuz it was against starters, you know, because he would never be asked to run against starters if he got playing time[/quote]

I saw the 2nd and 3rd team out there.

No Vrable,

Seymour?

Thomas?

Brushci?

Oh wait, Brandon Merriwhether played, so I guess that is why he didn't play as well. But somehow, Shack and the FO made him run for 2.7 ypc.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Krayz_Jville_D — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:31:57 GMT

apparently its ok that rice did bad, cuz it was against starters, you know, because he would never be asked to run against starters if he got playing time

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

jtmoney — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:31:10 GMT

I'm going by what Tom McManus stated on his show. He did the average yards per game and he was surprised by the numbers. It wasn't a huge difference, but it was like 5 to 10 yards per game. If he is incorrect then that means I am incorrect. I found the numbers to be surprising as well. His point was that we didn't seem to miss a beat with Norman in there. That's a GOOD thing. Teams who can overcome injuries do very well. We just have to overcome. And we have great depth on this team.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

THE BLUPRINT — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:29:11 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Duh da dud da!

It's captain hijacker!

Perfect timing TMD;)[/quote]

Please explain how exactly my response was "hijacking the thread".

The reponse was totally in topic with the theme of the thread.

You ppl need to hone up on your comprehension skills. Seriously.[/quote]

I'm sure TMD. I just know that I have never heard you say anyting positve about the Jags, for about.......2 years now.

BTW, how did ya boy Ray Rice do against the patriots scout team? He sure looked alot like mojo didn't he?

Do you ever have anything positive to say, or is it always doom and gloom?

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Krayz_Jville_D — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:25:29 GMT

only you would not agree with something that is 100% proof. unless he did his math wrong, thats hard to believe, even coming from you.

but you never cease to amaze any of us. Thats just 1 more of your amazing GM skills, able to pretend that stats arent real when they dont help your argument.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

The Mad Dog — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:23:59 GMT

I find that hard to believe.

Our rushing game down the stretch was averaging like 160 YPG.

I don't remember our rushing game being all that effective in the opener or following week against the Falcons.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Krayz_Jville_D — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:20:42 GMT

JTmoney, dont be saying things like our rushing game was better with norman. You will make TMD totally disappear from the discussion on how we are doomed, and how shack stinks cuz meester got hurt.

you know he cant deal with stats and proof.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

The Mad Dog — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:20:41 GMT

[quote][b]THE BLUPRINT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Duh da dud da!

It's captain hijacker!

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Its Meier Time — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:19:55 GMT

Weren't we like 3-1 without him?

And we'll be getting Brad back by what? Week 6?

Norman will be fine.

The Jags always find a way to step up after someone goes down, and I don't see history changing.

We've had better players than Meester go down and still managed to go 11-5 and win a playoff game. (Peterson, Garrard, Stroud)

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

jtmoney — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:18:22 GMT

Something to think about. The Jaguars rush per game was actually higher when Norman was in last year than when he was out. I'm not saying Norman is better, but I don't think Meester is a big injury (when we have a guy like Norman backing him up). I think Jerry Porter and Reggie Williams are more of a concern. The Jags have looked very good in training camp and from all reports this team is going to be in the mix for sure. Watch out for Tony McDaniel. I remember you saying that missing Stroud would hurt us. If Tony keeps playing like he is, you'll be saying "Stroud who?".

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

JaxFlJon — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:17:59 GMT

what is a "sapect" ?

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

THE BLUPRINT — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:17:18 GMT

Duh da dud da!

It's captain hijacker!

Perfect timing TMD;)

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

Krayz_Jville_D — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:15:18 GMT

Or you could listen to TMD, the same guy that has the BRONCOS IN THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME HAHAHAHA

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

The Mad Dog — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:12:56 GMT

[quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??[/quote]

Did you also notice that the team had just cut the starting quarterback that they had been preparing to start the season with, and had crafted the playbook around?

Or, did you notice that they were installing a brand new offense last year at the start of the season?

Meester's absence won't be as significant as you think. Norman will be fine.

As far as starting off slow, what was our record after 4 games last year?

I think you're being a little paranoid.[/quote]

Good points.

I guess I was being paranoid. ;)[/quote]

Jeezus dude....one post by FBT & your "convinced".

Have some conviction.

I mean one punch & you're out??

I think your initial post does raise some concerns.

FBT is never going to admit that the team has any problems. He always says "X player will be fine" or "whatever sapect of the team will be fine".

It will take more than that for me to be convinced.

Lets see THIS years team start off 3-1 with this schedule, and maybe the next time FBT says "we'll be fine" I will give that more cred.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

DAVEPDB2 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:49:25 GMT

:laugh:

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

huffdaddy52 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:49:12 GMT

[quote][b]FBT (8/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]huffdaddy52 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??[/quote]

Did you also notice that the team had just cut the starting quarterback that they had been preparing to start the season with, and had crafted the playbook around?

Or, did you notice that they were installing a brand new offense last year at the start of the season?

Meester's absence won't be as significant as you think. Norman will be fine.

As far as starting off slow, what was our record after 4 games last year?

I think you're being a little paranoid.[/quote]

Good points.

I guess I was being paranoid. ;)

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

FBT — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:48:40 GMT

[quote][b]DAVEPDB2 (8/8/2008)[/b][hr]It definitely wasn't Norman's fault that we lost that first game...[/quote]

Unless he was out there in the middle of the defensive line allowing their juggernaut rushing offense to walk over them like a welcome mat.

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

DAVEPDB2 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:46:21 GMT

It definitely wasn't Norman's fault that we lost that first game...

RE: Overlooking the Meester injury?

FBT — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:40:45 GMT

Did you also notice that the team had just cut the starting quarterback that they had been preparing to start the season with, and had crafted the playbook around?

Or, did you notice that they were installing a brand new offense last year at the start of the season?

Meester's absence won't be as significant as you think. Norman will be fine.

As far as starting off slow, what was our record after 4 games last year?

I think you're being a little paranoid.

Overlooking the Meester injury?

huffdaddy52 — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:39:12 GMT

Yes, Norman has filled in quite nicely for us the past couple of years. After looking at the stats from our early games last year (the ones where Meester was out) I noticed that we didn't exactly run the ball very well those first couple of games. (The argument could be made that we were still "gelling" as an offense.)

This year we can't afford to start off slow because of 3 out 4 games to start the season are against division opponents.

Also, the news of Norman getting hurt worry me( although, the reports are that it isn't very serious).

This isn't a sky is falling post, but, I think we maybe overlooking the injury to Meester a little bit.

Am I being paranoid?

Thoughts??