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RE: What a waste

turftoe — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:58:29 GMT

[quote][b]FBT (7/24/2008)[/b][hr]It's not necessary to defend your career choice, Nate.

Just attack the whimp for his.

I'm sure there's a cornucopia of angles that you could take in blasting the fry cook.[/quote]

Hey TMD congrats! I didn't know you got the promotion!

RE: What a waste

FBT — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:25:18 GMT

It's not necessary to defend your career choice, Nate.

Just attack the whimp for his.

I'm sure there's a cornucopia of angles that you could take in blasting the fry cook.

RE: What a waste

nate — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:27:16 GMT

[quote][b]BJORN TOURAQUE (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]CowboyBarry (7/23/2008)[/b][hr]"I don't think theres any shallower, or more hollow existance than someone who willfully defends murderers, drug dealers and rapists, like say, a criminal attorney. "

You neglect to mention through all this that there probably isn't any more deeper or more fulfilling existence than someone who defends the innocent and wrongfully accused and basically saves their lives from going down the toilet by no fault of their own.

Who's the character assassin, again?[/quote]

That and fulfilling our Constitution in general.

Everyone, even rapists, murderers, and others have a right to their day in Court.

Ask Brian Williams.;)[/quote]

Are you calling Brian Williams a rapist or a murderer?

You assassin![/quote]

Boy did I word that poorly.

My humble apologies, B-Dub.

Nevertheless, I would say that he exemplifies how everyone is due their day in Court.

He had much more to lose than 99% of the people charged with DUI, yet he chose to take it to trial and fight the fantastic allegations of the JSO.

Good for him.

RE: What a waste

Gabe — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:12:35 GMT

That and fulfilling our Constitution in general.

Everyone, even rapists, murderers, and others have a right to their day in Court.

Ask Brian Williams.;)[/quote]

Are you calling Brian Williams a rapist or a murderer?

You assassin![/quote]

Hey, even character assassins need love.

RE: What a waste

BJORN TOURAQUE — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:05:05 GMT

[quote][b]nate (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]CowboyBarry (7/23/2008)[/b][hr]"I don't think theres any shallower, or more hollow existance than someone who willfully defends murderers, drug dealers and rapists, like say, a criminal attorney. "

You neglect to mention through all this that there probably isn't any more deeper or more fulfilling existence than someone who defends the innocent and wrongfully accused and basically saves their lives from going down the toilet by no fault of their own.

Who's the character assassin, again?[/quote]

That and fulfilling our Constitution in general.

Everyone, even rapists, murderers, and others have a right to their day in Court.

Ask Brian Williams.;)[/quote]

Are you calling Brian Williams a rapist or a murderer?

You assassin!

RE: What a waste

nate — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:57:47 GMT

[quote][b]CowboyBarry (7/23/2008)[/b][hr]"I don't think theres any shallower, or more hollow existance than someone who willfully defends murderers, drug dealers and rapists, like say, a criminal attorney. "

You neglect to mention through all this that there probably isn't any more deeper or more fulfilling existence than someone who defends the innocent and wrongfully accused and basically saves their lives from going down the toilet by no fault of their own.

Who's the character assassin, again?[/quote]

That and fulfilling our Constitution in general.

Everyone, even rapists, murderers, and others have a right to their day in Court.

Ask Brian Williams.;)

RE: What a waste

Gimli:-englandjag — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:18:10 GMT

[quote][b]rnroutlaw (7/23/2008)[/b][hr]TMD

I don't feel like going back through a bunch of posts, but didn't you start a thread a few months back about how mediocre our LB corp was in another one of you bash Shack phases? If we have an elite MLB anchoring with 3 other good or better LBs to round it out..... what does that give you? Sigh.. why bother[/quote]

I remember arguing about that. Apparently the LBs dont make enough big plays or something.

RE: What a waste

CowboyBarry — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:27:34 GMT

"I don't think theres any shallower, or more hollow existance than someone who willfully defends murderers, drug dealers and rapists, like say, a criminal attorney. "

You neglect to mention through all this that there probably isn't any more deeper or more fulfilling existence than someone who defends the innocent and wrongfully accused and basically saves their lives from going down the toilet by no fault of their own.

Who's the character assassin, again?

RE: What a waste

nate — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:29:51 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]There's few things as amusing on this board as the chihuahua getting caught in another lie.

It's one of the most dependable things here.

And oddly, he thinks that it somehow validates a shallow, hollow existence.

Being recognized as a liar is apparently something he shoots for.[/quote]

I don't think theres any shallower, or more hollow existance than someone who willfully defends murderers, drug dealers and rapists, like say, a criminal attorney.

If theres anyone that can't be trusted or that should be branded a liar, it would have to be one of them.

You're pretty good at entrapment, though. You come on here, make a post claiming that I referred to Peterson as just a "decent" player, making it sound as if that was my take recently, when that was something I said over 3 years ago, & it was before Peterson had his All-pro year. Since that AP year, I have always referred to Mike Pete as an elite player, so excuse me if it slipped my mind that over 3 years ago, before his improvement, I said, correctly, that he was just a "good: player at the time.

That kind of slip up doesn't make one a liar. But thats the angle you're trying to illustrate, mr attorney.

See, you're good at being shady like that. I guess its something that makes you proud. Kinda validates a pathetic, shallow existence, huh?

You've always used tactics like that, though.

For example, You always like to bring up that I wanted the Jags to add WR David Terrell a few years ago because you know his career ultimately fluttered out. however, you never ever give the other half of that - which is, I was in favor of the Jags adding him as a 1 year/ minimum salary "show me" type deal.....much like what they gave to Sammy Knight last season. That way if it worked out - great, if not, no big investment. The Jags WR's at the time were hardly a full proven quality corps to where taking a chance on a player like Terrell would have been impossible.

But, no, you angle that the best you can as if that player was #1 on my Jags FA priority list or something. You always use tactics like that. I guess its your nature.

So, I guess you're right in that terming you a "liar" being false....no, you are much worse than that. You're a person who likes to twist facts, and use half truths. Much more evil than a simple, pure "liar".
[/quote]

Basically, the chihuahua has a problem with out system of law, I guess. One thing is quite clear: he has a very limited understanding of it.

As far as your post that showed you as someone who doesn't recognize the truth goes, it is simply a matter of having a decent memory and the research skills and willingness to locate what you're looking for.

Now, remember--you were the one calling ME A LIAR in COMPLETELY fabricating your take.

That was proven false, as usual.

Then, you said, you ALWAYS recognized Mike P as a elite acquisition.

And now you play the, "Uhhhh, I forgot" card, like a 3rd grader?:w00t:

BTW, does anyone here think that you would have owned up to what you posted then without undeniable, irrefutable proof?:D

RE: What a waste

BJORN TOURAQUE — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:54:20 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]There's few things as amusing on this board as the chihuahua getting caught in another lie.

It's one of the most dependable things here.

And oddly, he thinks that it somehow validates a shallow, hollow existence.

Wow. It's really starting to unravel for you, eh whimp?[/quote]

Hes a character assasin. His career trains him that way. I'm merely pointing that out and providing examples of some of his tactics.

I mean seriously, the dude saves inoccuous posts from a football message board from over 3 years ago....Somethings a bit off kilter there. Can you say, "stalker"?[/quote]

How ironic.

Perhaps not ironic. Stupid maybe.

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Its Meier Time (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]Hell, Brent Hawkins > Quentin Moses[/quote]

We will see if the same things can be said (from you & Jagley) a year or 2 from now.[/quote]

Hey look, you made that post TODAY!

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:26:14 GMT

"obsessed" is not quite right... unless it fit your mold of backing a lier...

Dexter...eeerrr I mean TMD thinks when we go to sleep or turn off our computers we forget about his lies... he thinks they some how automatically go away so he can float them around like little "nuget" they can't be flushed and people will somehow forget about it... he only step in his little "nugets" when he tries to back up one of his lies with another lie...

That's the only time he's call out for it the he whines for us to prove it... when we do he turns back to his spin-job that never works but that doesn't stop him from doing his now famous back-stroke...

The only thing he owns are the splinters from the bar stool thats stuck in his arse...

RE: What a waste

RnRoutlaw — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:24:45 GMT

TMD

RE: What a waste

yayo — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:12:41 GMT

TMD's attitude combined with avatar in this thread disturbs me. I hope someone did not take his stapler.

RE: What a waste

Hit squad — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:50:44 GMT

It's one of the most dependable things here.

And oddly, he thinks that it somehow validates a shallow, hollow existence.

Your fellow Jags fans are obsessed with you.

Own it.

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:44:07 GMT

[quote][b]FBT (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]There's few things as amusing on this board as the chihuahua getting caught in another lie.

It's one of the most dependable things here.

And oddly, he thinks that it somehow validates a shallow, hollow existence.

RE: What a waste

FBT — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:39:21 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/23/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]There's few things as amusing on this board as the chihuahua getting caught in another lie.

It's one of the most dependable things here.

And oddly, he thinks that it somehow validates a shallow, hollow existence.

Wow. It's really starting to unravel for you, eh whimp?

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:36:09 GMT

[quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]There's few things as amusing on this board as the chihuahua getting caught in another lie.

It's one of the most dependable things here.

And oddly, he thinks that it somehow validates a shallow, hollow existence.

RE: What a waste

nate — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:25:03 GMT

There's few things as amusing on this board as the chihuahua getting caught in another lie.

It's one of the most dependable things here.

And oddly, he thinks that it somehow validates a shallow, hollow existence.

Being recognized as a liar is apparently something he shoots for.

RE: What a waste

CowboyBarry — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:00:38 GMT

I will have the last word in this argument.

You're both welcome.

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:59:42 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]if I let you have the last word, will that make you happy?

:laugh: [/quote]

Makes no difference to me Dexter...eeerrrr. I mean TMD... just as long as you don't try to float you lies...

Like I said... go scratch somewhere else puppy...

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:54:00 GMT

if I let you have the last word, will that make you happy?

:laugh:

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:22:10 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]BUT... you seem to forget Dexter....eeerrrr I mean TMD... there is and always have been a BIG difference between ALWAYS and three years...[/quote]

Yep, and if you could read, I admitted fault on that.

Who's dexter?[/quote]

FOR REAL... after arguing that you didn't say such a thing you admitted it... WELL... if someone hadn't proved you wrong you still would be arguing that you were right...wouldn't you Dexter... eeerrrr I mean TMD...

Funny how the truth suddenly refreshes one mind...[/quote]

Funny how the mind was actually refreshed prior to him producing the 3 year old post.

whiff.[/quote]

BUT remember Dexter... eerrr I mean TMD... you didn't EVER say that...

Go scratch somewhere else puppy... you are pitful when you get caught in your lies...

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:20:33 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]Its great to know how much power I have over some of these ppl on this board. To the extent that they go to the effort of retaining posts I made years ago.

Anywho, shag 52, that post has little to do with what I felt Garrard "could do" for us in the future.

At the time, the consensus was that JDR was steadfast with sticking with Leftwich for better or for worse.

Thus, with Garrard, seemingly never going to get the chance to be the full time starter as long as Leftwich was around, it was my opinion that we should try and get a draft pick in return for the asset and use that draft pick to fill other needs on the team.

I initially spoke of that idea following the 2005 season when Garrard's value was high after the 5-1 finish. At the time I compared Garrard's 5-1 finish to what AJ Feeley did in Philly at the end of the 2002 (2003?) season finishing 4-1 for an injured Mcnabb & the Eagles parlaying that finish into a trade of Feeley to Miami for a 2nd round pick.

I did chastize Harris for not following what I felt was good advice there.

As it went Leftwich started the 2006 year, got hurt again, and Garrard played extensively in 2006. Since he had the poor finish in 2006, I felt that any value Garrard built up the previous year was shot. I felt Harris missed an opportunity. Thus that post you saved.

Keep twying shag52....I'm sure if you keep on this vindictive vendetta of yours, you can find something that is legit to nab me on....I mean heck, we already know nate saves posts of mine from 3 years ago....I know you can do better![/quote]

It's funny how you think you've got "power" over anything as much as you lie, spin, back-crawl and try to twist your way out of things your money-maker... your mouth gets you into...

Go back and find the post where you said half the bull-sh$t you are saying now... I found (had and still got more) stuff you said about Garrard in 2007 even AFTER you said you had Garrard ranked higer than Leftwich in 2007...

Good try Dexter...eeerrr I mean TMD... but like I told you before... your sh$t might float with some people on here... but both me and you knows it doesn't float on this end no matter how you try to spin it...[/quote]

If you have pre-disposed judgment on my takes up there, then it is pointless to go any further. You're going to think what you wish, anyway. And, I'll try real hard to give a rats arse.[/quote]

I might as well think what I wish because you say what you wish... but the only difference is you can't back up what you say... you have a way of forgetting what you say until you are called on it... and then the spin, back-flop, twisting and excuses starts from you...

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:48:53 GMT

[quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]BUT... you seem to forget Dexter....eeerrrr I mean TMD... there is and always have been a BIG difference between ALWAYS and three years...[/quote]

Yep, and if you could read, I admitted fault on that.

Who's dexter?[/quote]

Funny how the truth suddenly refreshes one mind...[/quote]

Funny how the mind was actually refreshed prior to him producing the 3 year old post.

whiff.

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:45:15 GMT

[quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]Its great to know how much power I have over some of these ppl on this board. To the extent that they go to the effort of retaining posts I made years ago.

Anywho, shag 52, that post has little to do with what I felt Garrard "could do" for us in the future.

At the time, the consensus was that JDR was steadfast with sticking with Leftwich for better or for worse.

Thus, with Garrard, seemingly never going to get the chance to be the full time starter as long as Leftwich was around, it was my opinion that we should try and get a draft pick in return for the asset and use that draft pick to fill other needs on the team.

I initially spoke of that idea following the 2005 season when Garrard's value was high after the 5-1 finish. At the time I compared Garrard's 5-1 finish to what AJ Feeley did in Philly at the end of the 2002 (2003?) season finishing 4-1 for an injured Mcnabb & the Eagles parlaying that finish into a trade of Feeley to Miami for a 2nd round pick.

I did chastize Harris for not following what I felt was good advice there.

As it went Leftwich started the 2006 year, got hurt again, and Garrard played extensively in 2006. Since he had the poor finish in 2006, I felt that any value Garrard built up the previous year was shot. I felt Harris missed an opportunity. Thus that post you saved.

Keep twying shag52....I'm sure if you keep on this vindictive vendetta of yours, you can find something that is legit to nab me on....I mean heck, we already know nate saves posts of mine from 3 years ago....I know you can do better![/quote]

It's funny how you think you've got "power" over anything as much as you lie, spin, back-crawl and try to twist your way out of things your money-maker... your mouth gets you into...

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:40:30 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]BUT... you seem to forget Dexter....eeerrrr I mean TMD... there is and always have been a BIG difference between ALWAYS and three years...[/quote]

Yep, and if you could read, I admitted fault on that.

Who's dexter?[/quote]

Funny how the truth suddenly refreshes one mind...

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:37:45 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]Its great to know how much power I have over some of these ppl on this board. To the extent that they go to the effort of retaining posts I made years ago.

Anywho, shag 52, that post has little to do with what I felt Garrard "could do" for us in the future.

At the time, the consensus was that JDR was steadfast with sticking with Leftwich for better or for worse.

Thus, with Garrard, seemingly never going to get the chance to be the full time starter as long as Leftwich was around, it was my opinion that we should try and get a draft pick in return for the asset and use that draft pick to fill other needs on the team.

I initially spoke of that idea following the 2005 season when Garrard's value was high after the 5-1 finish. At the time I compared Garrard's 5-1 finish to what AJ Feeley did in Philly at the end of the 2002 (2003?) season finishing 4-1 for an injured Mcnabb & the Eagles parlaying that finish into a trade of Feeley to Miami for a 2nd round pick.

I did chastize Harris for not following what I felt was good advice there.

As it went Leftwich started the 2006 year, got hurt again, and Garrard played extensively in 2006. Since he had the poor finish in 2006, I felt that any value Garrard built up the previous year was shot. I felt Harris missed an opportunity. Thus that post you saved.

Keep twying shag52....I'm sure if you keep on this vindictive vendetta of yours, you can find something that is legit to nab me on....I mean heck, we already know nate saves posts of mine from 3 years ago....I know you can do better![/quote]

It's funny how you think you've got "power" over anything as much as you lie, spin, back-crawl and try to twist your way out of things your money-maker... your mouth gets you into...

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:37:38 GMT

[quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]BUT... you seem to forget Dexter....eeerrrr I mean TMD... there is and always have been a BIG difference between ALWAYS and three years...[/quote]

Yep, and if you could read, I admitted fault on that.

Who's dexter?

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:30:48 GMT

BUT... you seem to forget Dexter....eeerrrr I mean TMD... there is and always have been a BIG difference between ALWAYS and three years...

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:28:06 GMT

Its great to know how much power I have over some of these ppl on this board. To the extent that they go to the effort of retaining posts I made years ago.

Anywho, shag 52, that post has little to do with what I felt Garrard "could do" for us in the future.

At the time, the consensus was that JDR was steadfast with sticking with Leftwich for better or for worse.

Thus, with Garrard, seemingly never going to get the chance to be the full time starter as long as Leftwich was around, it was my opinion that we should try and get a draft pick in return for the asset and use that draft pick to fill other needs on the team.

I initially spoke of that idea following the 2005 season when Garrard's value was high after the 5-1 finish. At the time I compared Garrard's 5-1 finish to what AJ Feeley did in Philly at the end of the 2002 (2003?) season finishing 4-1 for an injured Mcnabb & the Eagles parlaying that finish into a trade of Feeley to Miami for a 2nd round pick.

I did chastize Harris for not following what I felt was good advice there.

As it went Leftwich started the 2006 year, got hurt again, and Garrard played extensively in 2006. Since he had the poor finish in 2006, I felt that any value Garrard built up the previous year was shot. I felt Harris missed an opportunity. Thus that post you saved.

Keep twying shag52....I'm sure if you keep on this vindictive vendetta of yours, you can find something that is legit to nab me on....I mean heck, we already know nate saves posts of mine from 3 years ago....I know you can do better!

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:11:54 GMT

[quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]

Mike Pete had a better year his last year with the Colts except the sacks... [/quote]

Better year than what? his 2005 year? Wrong. Mike Pete's 2005 season was his best.

[quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]and in 2004 with the Jags he had five less tackles (131-126), one less solo tackles, one less sack but 0 INT's... I don't guess Dexter...eeerrrr TMD would count that as a "good" enough year in 2004 to give Mike Pete props in 2005...[/quote]

You know who else wouldn't count that 2004 season as an "elite" one? The voters for the All-pro team. Mike was voted AP in 2005, not 2004. I'd say AP status= "elite".

[quote][b]shag52 (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]But the spin-master will play his usual self as he tries to back-peddle his way out of this...[/quote]

Theres absolutely nothing to back peddle from. What I said in that quote from 3 years ago was correct.

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:03:52 GMT

Just like this from Dexter...eeerrrr I mean TMD...

"I never had Garrard ranked behind Leftwich at any point of 2007."

But read here... and remember he said in another thread that he like Garrard...

The Mad Dog

Posted Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:03 PM

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quentinc25 (1/2/2007)

Coach Gruden was quoted saying this in St. Pete Times

"There's a good chance there's another guy in town that'll be competing," Gruden told Tuesday's St. Petersburg Times. "We're going to try to make it competitive and that's all I'll say."

This could be where Lefty ends up. Does make it an interesting deal because the Bucs have a high draft pick and a ton of money to spend. They have like 6 picks within the first 68 pics I do beleive. I live in tampa and a lot of Bucs fan beleive Lefty might be here next year.

Oh ya, I am a jags fan not a bucs fan. Moved to Tampa from Jax.

Gruden was the coach last offseason, that expressed the most interest in obtaining David Garrard, so I'd imagine he'd still have some interest, although James Harris BOTCHED the opportunity for us to get a first day draft pick for Garrard, now. That was his PEAK value, last offseason. Now, we'll be LUCKY to get a 5th in return for him.

These people need to be replaced & upgraded for the Jags to achieve ultimate success:

GM James Harris
OC Carl Smith
QB coach Ken Anderson
ST coach Pete Rodriguez

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:03:00 GMT

[quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]
What was the date on that post again, nate? Oh thats right BEFORE Peterson's breakout 2005 Jaguars season. Thus, what I said about Peterson at that time was true.

After I saw Peterson elevate his game in the 2005 season, I have credited him for it and since list him in with the other 3 elite Harris acquisitons.

Regarding Odell....who knows what could have been had we drafted him. Maybe he doesn't have the same issues he had in Cinci. Odell certainly exhibited the talent/ production on the Bengals prior to his problems.[/quote]

But wait chihuahua, you just said you ALWAYS have said Mike P was an elite aq..

Is that on par with what you said after he had played here 2 years?

Or is that your usual revisionist history when it comes to what you hav esaid or what your take was on something?

Next you are going to say you didn't advocate for Randy Starks over Greg Jones.

Before you go and call someone a liar, perhaps you should figure out what the truth is.[/quote]

Well, you still weren't telling the truth as of current anyway, because I have been referring to Peterson as elite for 3 years now. You tried to make it sound as if currently I am not doing that.

It was so long ago that I said the other that I forgot that yes, there was a time when I felt Peterson was just a "good" player, and at that particular time when I said it, I was right.

Peterson upgraded his play, especially his big play ability in 2005 and when healthy, he's pretty much remained at that elite level since.[/quote]

So, what you're saying is that despite the fact I told the truth about what you said, that is lying?:D

What about "COMPLETELY MAKING STUFF UP"?

What about "Now its just outright lying."?

You don't even know what the truth is. You aren't familiar with the concept.

Integrity is a complete foreign concept.[/quote]

OH,

THE

IRONY!

RE: What a waste

nate — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:33:19 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]
What was the date on that post again, nate? Oh thats right BEFORE Peterson's breakout 2005 Jaguars season. Thus, what I said about Peterson at that time was true.

After I saw Peterson elevate his game in the 2005 season, I have credited him for it and since list him in with the other 3 elite Harris acquisitons.

Regarding Odell....who knows what could have been had we drafted him. Maybe he doesn't have the same issues he had in Cinci. Odell certainly exhibited the talent/ production on the Bengals prior to his problems.[/quote]

But wait chihuahua, you just said you ALWAYS have said Mike P was an elite aq..

Is that on par with what you said after he had played here 2 years?

Or is that your usual revisionist history when it comes to what you hav esaid or what your take was on something?

Next you are going to say you didn't advocate for Randy Starks over Greg Jones.

So, what you're saying is that despite the fact I told the truth about what you said, that is lying?:D

What about "COMPLETELY MAKING STUFF UP"?

What about "Now its just outright lying."?

You don't even know what the truth is. You aren't familiar with the concept.

Integrity is a complete foreign concept.

RE: What a waste

shag52 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:26:18 GMT

Very nice nate... Dexter..eerrr I mean TMD will try anything to wiggle and spin his way out of anything he post...

Mike Pete had a better year his last year with the Colts except the sacks... and in 2004 with the Jags he had five less tackles (131-126), one less solo tackles, one less sack but 0 INT's... I don't guess Dexter...eeerrrr TMD would count that as a "good" enough year in 2004 to give Mike Pete props in 2005...

But the spin-master will play his usual self as he tries to back-peddle his way out of this...

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:11 GMT

[quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]
What was the date on that post again, nate? Oh thats right BEFORE Peterson's breakout 2005 Jaguars season. Thus, what I said about Peterson at that time was true.

After I saw Peterson elevate his game in the 2005 season, I have credited him for it and since list him in with the other 3 elite Harris acquisitons.

Regarding Odell....who knows what could have been had we drafted him. Maybe he doesn't have the same issues he had in Cinci. Odell certainly exhibited the talent/ production on the Bengals prior to his problems.[/quote]

But wait chihuahua, you just said you ALWAYS have said Mike P was an elite aq..

Is that on par with what you said after he had played here 2 years?

Or is that your usual revisionist history when it comes to what you hav esaid or what your take was on something?

Next you are going to say you didn't advocate for Randy Starks over Greg Jones.

RE: What a waste

nate — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:13:11 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/22/2008)[/b][hr]
What was the date on that post again, nate? Oh thats right BEFORE Peterson's breakout 2005 Jaguars season. Thus, what I said about Peterson at that time was true.

After I saw Peterson elevate his game in the 2005 season, I have credited him for it and since list him in with the other 3 elite Harris acquisitons.

Regarding Odell....who knows what could have been had we drafted him. Maybe he doesn't have the same issues he had in Cinci. Odell certainly exhibited the talent/ production on the Bengals prior to his problems.[/quote]

But wait chihuahua, you just said you ALWAYS have said Mike P was an elite aq..

Is that on par with what you said after he had played here 2 years?

Or is that your usual revisionist history when it comes to what you hav esaid or what your take was on something?

Next you are going to say you didn't advocate for Randy Starks over Greg Jones.

Before you go and call someone a liar, perhaps you should figure out what the truth is.

RE: What a waste

The Mad Dog — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:02:19 GMT

What was the date on that post again, nate? Oh thats right BEFORE Peterson's breakout 2005 Jaguars season. Thus, what I said about Peterson at that time was true.

After I saw Peterson elevate his game in the 2005 season, I have credited him for it and since list him in with the other 3 elite Harris acquisitons.

Regarding Odell....who knows what could have been had we drafted him. Maybe he doesn't have the same issues he had in Cinci. Odell certainly exhibited the talent/ production on the Bengals prior to his problems.

RE: What a waste

Buckethead — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:55:32 GMT

[quote][b]nate (7/22/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/21/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/21/2008)[/b][hr]I like how the chihuahua says he's a Mike P fan, but referred to him as a decent player who should have been replaced.

And who should have the Jaguars found to replace Mike P?

Well, of course they should have drafted Odell Thurman.

The world according to the chihuahua.[/quote]

Ah the guy who willfully defends criminals has now resorted to completely making stuff up. At least before you would use partial truths.

Now its just outright lying.

Congrats.

I've always listed Mike P as one of the 4 Harris elite acquisitions; Mathis, Drew, Manuwai, Peterson.[/quote]

Now, who is lying again? :D

The Mad Dog Registered Member Date Joined Jan2005 Total Posts : 999	Posted 5/12/2005 3:42 PM (GMT -4)
	By the way, someone in this thread brought up Mike Peterson as an example of a "great" player Harris has brought in....excuse me if I beg to differ. I see Peterson as a "decent" player who benefits from playing behind the 2 best DT's in football today (that TC drafted, btw). If Peterson was MLB on any other team, I'd bet he would be far less effective/ productive at MLB. I really wanted the Jaguars to draft MLB Odell Thurman in this draft. That guy is going to be a very good pro MLB to begin with, and would have been ALL-WORLD on this team by his 2nd year, playing behind Big Hen & Stroud.

[/quote]Are there any archives of my posts that I need to be worried about?

RE: What a waste

nate — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:48:11 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (7/21/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]nate (7/21/2008)[/b][hr]I like how the chihuahua says he's a Mike P fan, but referred to him as a decent player who should have been replaced.

And who should have the Jaguars found to replace Mike P?

Well, of course they should have drafted Odell Thurman.

The world according to the chihuahua. [/quote]

Ah the guy who willfully defends criminals has now resorted to completely making stuff up. At least before you would use partial truths.

Now its just outright lying.

Congrats.

I've always listed Mike P as one of the 4 Harris elite acquisitions; Mathis, Drew, Manuwai, Peterson.[/quote]

Now, who is lying again? :D

The Mad Dog Registered Member Date Joined Jan 2005 Total Posts : 999	Posted 5/12/2005 3:42 PM (GMT -4)
	By the way, someone in this thread brought up Mike Peterson as an example of a "great" player Harris has brought in....excuse me if I beg to differ. I see Peterson as a "decent" player who benefits from playing behind the 2 best DT's in football today (that TC drafted, btw). If Peterson was MLB on any other team, I'd bet he would be far less effective/ productive at MLB. I really wanted the Jaguars to draft MLB Odell Thurman in this draft. That guy is going to be a very good pro MLB to begin with, and would have been ALL-WORLD on this team by his 2nd year, playing behind Big Hen & Stroud.