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RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

snowwolf776 — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:29:56 GMT

also thank you for the reports fbt.

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Criskahta — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 07:34:44 GMT

Much Thanks on the reports as usual

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

snowwolf776 — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:24:10 GMT

I said this before training camp,and ill say it again. Troy Williamson will be our top WR this year,while porter ends up being a dissapointent.

Theres less presure on Troy.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

ifjaguarwaco — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:01:48 GMT

Thank you again FBT. Always great to read your reports!

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

FBT — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:31:09 GMT

[quote][b]Jags02 (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]pirkster (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Jagrams (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]From what I'm reading on the QB situation, should we be concerned with the backup? It sounds like they shouldn't have let our backup go. Yeah, I know it is only minicamp. It doesn't sound like Mathis is getting off to a good start either particularly since he was banged up last year. Del Rio was singing the praises of Daryl Smith this morning on the radio saying this should be a good year for him. Thanks for the recap. [/quote]

It's June. Let's not get too worried now. Let's see what happens when training camp starts. Even then, we're still talking about a backup QB. [/quote]

Agreed. But this certainly doesn't sit well with folks like me who didn't like the signing in the first place. Personally I would have rather had a more experienced veteran. I'm not going to throw Lemon any farther under the bus than I already have, but he's really got to show me something to prove to me it wasn't a bad move - and he's not necessarily getting of to a good start. Even so, I'll give him a pass (pun completely intended) for summer but I'll be eager to see what he offers this fall. It's only backup QB, but you never know. Sounds like Bouman wouldn't necessarily be a bad alternative, so I'm not "worried" per se.[/quote]

Lemon throws nice-looking, tight spirals from what I've seen, but he hasn't had all that much of a chance to get timing down with the receivers. This may be why he looks so sloppy this early, but is there more to it than that? What bugs me is Del Rio mentioning how he's not overly impressed with Lemon's arm. Knowing that they gave him a 4-year, $8 mil contract that included a $3 mil roster bonus, you'd like to know that he's at least as good as Quinn Gray who signed a minimal deal with the Texans. So far that doesn't look to be the case.

I do think the Jaguars made a mistake by not giving Gray the contract they gave Lemon. I'd feel far more confortable know that if Garrard goes down, they still have Gray. But we can't keep saying "what if," and like FBT said, we're talking about the backup QB position. Lemon is a mobile QB with starting experience able to escape tricky situations even if it means throwing on the run. It bugs me to see him arm being questioned because I felt that was a strength of his. Watching him on film, it appeared his biggest weakness was making bad decisions resulting in INTs. That's still my fear with him. Should he come in, is he just going to throw INTs like he was so prone to do in Miami?

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To be honest, in the practice yesterday, Lemon's passes weren't that impressive. The ball comes out pretty slowly by comparison to Garrard or even Todd Bouman. It certainly can be partly attributed to the fact that he's still got timing issues to work on, and that appears to be something that is part of their focus. It's clear that he's not quite on the same page as some of the receivers he's working with, and that's to be expected.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Jags&Dawgs — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:21:28 GMT

[quote][b]FBT (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Steiny (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]FBT & Su héroe,

I'm jealous of you guys! I've enjoyed reading FBT's practice recaps for a while now, going back to last year's training camp. Now Su héroe has gotten into the act too. Are you guys retired or maybe self-employed so you can make your own hours? Sure I could manage to get to an occasional training camp practice, but you guys seem to be able to make it to a lot of them. Please keep the recaps coming.

-Steiny[/quote]

Way too young for retirement, and I'm not self-employed. If my boss asks, I'm suffering from the teal flu.[/quote]Yea that's real obvious!!!:D:hehe:

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Jags02 — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:21:30 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (6/7/2008)[/b][hr]I noticed that both Koetter and Shula were talking with Cleo Lemon between his turn to throw passes. I feel confident that if he follows their advice he will correct his technical hitches.[/quote]

I feel like this has to happen. When you factor in his $3 mil roster bonus, there's virtually no chance they cut him this year. At worst they keep him as the #3, but he almost has to be Garrard's primary backup given his contract. So, as Yoda might say, fix him they must.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Stigma — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:18:18 GMT

It's June. Let's not get too worried now. Let's see what happens when training camp starts. Even then, we're still talking about a backup QB. [/quote]

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Let me give you my impressions of Cleo Lemon. I think that he does have the arm strength to be an NFL QB. His problem is a mechanical problem that I feel certain will be addressed in Training Camp.

From what I saw, Cleo Lemon has a tendency to throw flat footed using only his upper body as the means of propelling the ball downfield. Lemon also seems to have a tendency to jump up in the air to throw over incoming lineman. Again in jumping up in the air, he has nothing to push off of with his feet and his passes tend to sail.

Lastly, I think that Cleo Lemon is thinking a bit too much in this mini-camp. In my mind he looks very much like David Garrard looked at last year's mini-camp, when David was a far cry from the QB he has become over the past year.

I noticed that both Koetter and Shula were talking with Cleo Lemon between his turn to throw passes. I feel confident that if he follows their advice he will correct his technical hitches.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Chop block — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:19:27 GMT

[quote][b]Jags02 (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]jagsfan06 (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thanks for the great report FBT. The practice was awesome. There is a genuine sense of anticipation for the 08 season.

I spent the majority of my time watching the defensive players and came away with a couple of observations. 1.) Tony McDaniel looks bigger and stronger than he has in the past. 2.) Reggie Hayward looked really fast out there. [/quote]

How fast? Fast enough to challenge Spicer or Harvey for a starting role?[/quote]

Hayward appears to have returned to previous form. He looked very quick. Harvey and Groves will have to wait for the pads to seperate from the pack.

As for Cleo Lemons, he looked absolutely lost.

Since I can't leave a post on a negative note... the signing of Troy Williamson for a 6th round selection may have been the steal of a decade. This team is DEEP this year, quarterback being the only exception. Garrard is light years ahead of Lemons. Bouman may be better suited to fulfill the number two QB roll.

One more thing...Chauncy Washington had better find is way back to the field because D.D. Terry looked very good this morning.

I'm telling you, O2, it is very hard to pick on one position. I can't remember a season that they looked so solid and deep this early.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Real Deal — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:45:27 GMT

As always, very informative. Thanks for your efforts FBT.

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Buckethead — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:10:36 GMT

:w00t::w00t: Thanks for the report. Vic had better watch his back.[p]Vic's minicamp report: "It's underwear... get a life."[/p] Considering what FBT gives us, Vic should pay the Jaguars this week! [p]Heyward :w00t:?...Looking revitalized?:w00t::w00t: I know it's only June, but I'm jonesing for some football![/p]:w00t::w00t:

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Utopia — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:00:24 GMT

Hayward also caught my eye. He looks like he could be back to his old pre-injury self. That would be great news.

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Its Meier Time — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:57:45 GMT

[quote][b]Jags02 (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]jagsfan06 (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thanks for the great report FBT. The practice was awesome. There is a genuine sense of anticipation for the 08 season.

How fast? Fast enough to challenge Spicer or Harvey for a starting role?[/quote]

Take it for what it's worth, but Hayward was starting out there with Spicer.

Harvey was running with the 2's

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Jags02 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:56:32 GMT

[quote][b]jagsfan06 (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thanks for the great report FBT. The practice was awesome. There is a genuine sense of anticipation for the 08 season.

How fast? Fast enough to challenge Spicer or Harvey for a starting role?

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Jags02 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:52:56 GMT

[quote][b]pirkster (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Jagrams (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]From what I'm reading on the QB situation, should we be concerned with the backup? It sounds like they shouldn't have let our backup go. Yeah, I know it is only minicamp. It doesn't sound like Mathis is getting off to a good start either particularly since he was banged up last year. Del Rio was singing the praises of Daryl Smith this morning on the radio saying this should be a good year for him. Thanks for the recap. [/quote]

It's June. Let's not get too worried now. Let's see what happens when training camp starts. Even then, we're still talking about a backup QB. [/quote]

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Jags02 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:22:47 GMT

[quote][b]jagibelieve (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]As always, nice report Tim. It's good to see that underwear practice seems to be going alright, even with the few dings a couple of the player are going through. I can't wait for training camp when the REAL practices start.[/quote]

Of course, minicamp is a "glorified" underwear practice.

I'm interested in seeing just how well Matt Jones, Williamson and Broussard all perform when the hitting starts. One of these three should make the roster, and in part I'm looking for the toughest guy among them.

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Its Meier Time — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:22:38 GMT

[quote][b]Jags02 (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]i would shut mathis down until training camp too, we dont need him to be banged up all year again... prior to that tho all i kept hearing was how great he looked out there breaking up passes, intercepting, and just looking all around back to his former self, hopefully this wont set him back any and he gets himself back where he belongs, the probowl[/quote]

Do we even know what Rashean's injury is?

At least Mike Walker and Marcedes Lewis are out there showing no signs of injury. Is Wrighster still out? Aside from Porter, is anyone else out?[/quote]

Wrighster, Brian Smith, and Chauncey Washington were the others not participating. Clint Ingram is back as well.

I know when the trainers were taking a look at Rashean, they were looking at the right knee. But I really don't think it's serious. I didn't see him limping off the field as they headed towards the locker rooms.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Jags02 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:18:40 GMT

[quote][b]Krayz_Jville_D (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]i would shut mathis down until training camp too, we dont need him to be banged up all year again... prior to that tho all i kept hearing was how great he looked out there breaking up passes, intercepting, and just looking all around back to his former self, hopefully this wont set him back any and he gets himself back where he belongs, the probowl[/quote]

Do we even know what Rashean's injury is?

At least Mike Walker and Marcedes Lewis are out there showing no signs of injury. Is Wrighster still out? Aside from Porter, is anyone else out?

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

FBT — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:42:40 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]FBT (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Robb (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Fargin (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thanks Tim this is the first year I'll be unable to attend Mini camp (work) Dang I'm hatin' life now. I'm waiting for The Chihuahua to tell us he saw more than you from his barstool and how poor your eyesight is.

Oops! Didn't see his post but he'll change his mind later. Was Shack there? :LOL:[/quote]

LOL, Shack was there this afternoon at least. Rode out on a golf cart.[/quote]

He was out there this morning in the cart as well. Bum knees don't affect his driving foot.[/quote]

Bum knees or lazy bum? :laugh:[/quote]

Once again demonstrating why you're a tremendous waste of space.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

The Mad Dog — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:36:53 GMT

[quote][b]FBT (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Robb (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Fargin (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thanks Tim this is the first year I'll be unable to attend Mini camp (work) Dang I'm hatin' life now. I'm waiting for The Chihuahua to tell us he saw more than you from his barstool and how poor your eyesight is.

Oops! Didn't see his post but he'll change his mind later. Was Shack there? :LOL:[/quote]

LOL, Shack was there this afternoon at least. Rode out on a golf cart.[/quote]

He was out there this morning in the cart as well. Bum knees don't affect his driving foot.[/quote]

Bum knees or lazy bum? :laugh:

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

scottone928 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:53:45 GMT

Thanks for the great report as usual FBT! I will be attending the morning session.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

FBT — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:53:08 GMT

[quote][b]Robb (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Fargin (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thanks Tim this is the first year I'll be unable to attend Mini camp (work) Dang I'm hatin' life now. I'm waiting for The Chihuahua to tell us he saw more than you from his barstool and how poor your eyesight is.

Oops! Didn't see his post but he'll change his mind later. Was Shack there? :LOL:[/quote]

LOL, Shack was there this afternoon at least. Rode out on a golf cart.[/quote]

He was out there this morning in the cart as well. Bum knees don't affect his driving foot.

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FBT — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:51:39 GMT

[quote][b]JagsMac (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thank you, sir...Stellar as usual!

See you tomorrow?[/quote]

My schedule tomorrow is an odd one, so I'm not sure if I'll be there or not. We'll see.

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MalabarJag — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:32:12 GMT

Thanks again FBT. I always look forward to your reports.

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Zero0101 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:38:47 GMT

Very nicely done, FBT. Very well written too. I enjoy reading your camp summaries even though I attend the morning sessions and often times the afternoon practicies too.

It certainly was fun to see the boys again.

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The Mad Dog — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:21:32 GMT

[quote][b]Robb (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]
LOL, Shack was there this afternoon at least. Rode out on a golf cart.[/quote]

Lazy bum. :hehe:

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

G.C.J — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:19:39 GMT

wheres the mad dogs report?

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Robb — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:17:20 GMT

[quote][b]Fargin (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]Thanks Tim this is the first year I'll be unable to attend Mini camp (work) Dang I'm hatin' life now. I'm waiting for The Chihuahua to tell us he saw more than you from his barstool and how poor your eyesight is.

Oops! Didn't see his post but he'll change his mind later. Was Shack there? :LOL:[/quote]

LOL, Shack was there this afternoon at least. Rode out on a golf cart.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

jagsfan06 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:11:58 GMT

Thanks for the great report FBT. The practice was awesome. There is a genuine sense of anticipation for the 08 season.

I spent the majority of my time watching the defensive players and came away with a couple of observations. 1.) Tony McDaniel looks bigger and stronger than he has in the past. 2.) Reggie Hayward looked really fast out there.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

HIGH SCORE — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:11:39 GMT

The fan-base is unified.

We can all agree on one thing.

FBT's reports are extremely helpful and a great addition to the daily jag related news scavenge.

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

Fargin — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:07:38 GMT

Thanks Tim this is the first year I'll be unable to attend Mini camp (work) Dang I'm hatin' life now. I'm waiting for The Chihuahua to tell us he saw more than you from his barstool and how poor your eyesight is.

Oops! Didn't see his post but he'll change his mind later. Was Shack there? :LOL:

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

The Mad Dog — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:05:27 GMT

Yep, FBT's camp reports like these are much appreciated. Especially to us out of state Jags fans, who otherwise don't have this kinda first hand reporting.

Can't deny the big guy praise for these. They're gold.

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TecmoSuperBowl — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:42:08 GMT

Three cheers for FBT

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hogtusk — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:39:13 GMT

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. You are the best.

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JagsMac — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:23:36 GMT

Thank you, sir...Stellar as usual!

See you tomorrow?

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Knock it Down — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:47:24 GMT

Much appreciation to you for these reports FBT.

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THE BLUPRINT — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:38:04 GMT

FBT, you should have pursued writing as a profession.

Masterpiece!:thumbup:

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

FBT — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:10:55 GMT

There have been reports where Lemon has looked good, and reports where he has looked bad. Even in this practice, there were some plays where he looked okay, and others where he didn't. It's way too early to determine that he was a bad signing. I think people need to let this play itself out and let's see what happens as he gets more time with a brand new system working with a brand new coaching staff.

Inconsistent play is par for the course at this point. To expect him to be out there looking like an all pro is simply unrealistic. This is especially true if you look at how our backups have looked in years past. None of them were very impressive at this point in the process. Quinn Gray was one of the worst in mini and training camp.

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pirkster — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:08:29 GMT

[quote][b]FBT (6/6/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Jagrams (6/6/2008)[/b][hr]From what I'm reading on the QB situation, should we be concerned with the backup? It sounds like they shouldn't have let our backup go. Yeah, I know it is only minicamp. It doesn't sound like Mathis is getting off to a good start either particularly since he was banged up last year. Del Rio was singing the praises of Daryl Smith this morning on the radio saying this should be a good year for him. Thanks for the recap. [/quote]

It's June. Let's not get too worried now. Let's see what happens when training camp starts. Even then, we're still talking about a backup QB. [/quote]

RE: Mini camping with FBT: 6/6 AM practice session

jagibelieve — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:01:31 GMT

As always, nice report Tim. It's good to see that underwear practice seems to be going alright, even with the few dings a couple of the player are going through. I can't wait for training camp when the REAL practices start.