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RE: Trae Williams

rfc17 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:03:36 GMT

[quote][b]Caldrac (4/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]rfc17 (4/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Caldrac (4/29/2008)[/b][hr] He did however, take advantage of Mike's superiority, he needs to thank Mike for all those INT's because he caused the ball to go in his direction. Which leads me to this point, he could barely play consistently opposite of a first round talent CB in Jenkins, so what makes people think that this guy can ever grow into a starter and play opposite of guys like Mathis,Williams and Florence? [/quote]

so in your opinion, if he had fewer interceptions he would have been a better prospect. maybe we shoulda drafted the guy that had zero picks.[/quote]

No, im saying those picks are easy to get when you know the ball is going to be thrown to your side probably close to 70% of every game.[/quote]

I dont know... thats like saying the #3 hitter in baseball wouldnt be any good if it wasnt for the fact that the #4 hitter behind him was such a slugger. The guy is batting #3 for a reason.

Only Ed Reed and Aaron Beasley intercepted more passes in BigEast history than Trae Williams. No offense to Mike Jenkins, but im sure there have been plenty of good CBs to come out of the Big East. yet why didnt any of their teammates intercept 15-16 balls or whatever Williams got? Where was the huge interception total by Darrelle Revis' teammate? by Pacman Jones teammate? by Deangelo Hall's teammate? Im sure teams avoided throwing balls their way just like you claim they avoided Jenkins. yet they didnt have any teammates pick off that many passes.

RE: Trae Williams

Caldrac — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:14:41 GMT

[quote][b]rfc17 (4/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Caldrac (4/29/2008)[/b][hr] He did however, take advantage of Mike's superiority, he needs to thank Mike for all those INT's because he caused the ball to go in his direction. Which leads me to this point, he could barely play consistently opposite of a first round talent CB in Jenkins, so what makes people think that this guy can ever grow into a starter and play opposite of guys like Mathis,Williams and Florence? [/quote]

so in your opinion, if he had fewer interceptions he would have been a better prospect. maybe we shoulda drafted the guy that had zero picks.[/quote]

No, im saying those picks are easy to get when you know the ball is going to be thrown to your side probably close to 70% of every game.

RE: Trae Williams

Stigma — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:50:20 GMT

[quote][b]rfc17 (4/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Stigma (4/29/2008)[/b][hr]

Somebody said he was a Seth Payne type DT. Is that because he is a big white guy or does he have something special about him?

[/quote]

there is probably some truth to the big white guy comment. honestly, i never really considered Horrocks a pro prospect when the season ended. but you never know. id be lying if I said I followed him closely. I dont think he played as well this past season as he did two years ago. In 06 i wanna say he led the team in sacks... or was a close 2nd. and he kept forcing a lot of fumbles. i dont remember hearing his name as much this past year. but i seem to recall him being nicked up.

he'll have a tough road ahead of him with Henderson, Meier, Landri, McDaniel, Kennedy, etc... he'll probably be a practice squad guy. but now I know who my annual "guy i pull for in training camp" is. [/quote]

This is a guy that Vic ketchman made specific mention of when commenting on the UDFA signings.

RE: Trae Williams

rfc17 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:41:48 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/29/2008)[/b][hr]

Somebody said he was a Seth Payne type DT. Is that because he is a big white guy or does he have something special about him?

[/quote]

RE: Trae Williams

Stigma — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:53:01 GMT

rfc,

Tell us about the DT from Vandy. Does he have any chance to make this roster?

Somebody said he was a Seth Payne type DT. Is that because he is a big white guy or does he have something special about him?

RE: Trae Williams

rfc17 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:38:40 GMT

[quote][b]Caldrac (4/29/2008)[/b][hr] He did however, take advantage of Mike's superiority, he needs to thank Mike for all those INT's because he caused the ball to go in his direction. Which leads me to this point, he could barely play consistently opposite of a first round talent CB in Jenkins, so what makes people think that this guy can ever grow into a starter and play opposite of guys like Mathis,Williams and Florence? [/quote]

so in your opinion, if he had fewer interceptions he would have been a better prospect. maybe we shoulda drafted the guy that had zero picks.

RE: Trae Williams

K-Dub — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:09:50 GMT

Honestly, Trae Williams was probably the most under-rated CB in this years draft...He was in the shadow of Mike Jenkins who went in the 1st round his entire career...Ironically, he was more productive than Jenkins and is the "ALL TIME BIG EAST CONFERENCE INTERCEPTION LEADER"...which means he has great ball skills...Right now, I think has more potential than Scott Starks....He has the potential IMO to be a future starter!

RE: Trae Williams

THE BLUPRINT — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:09:58 GMT

Priest Holmes was the 2nd best RB at Texas. Laveranues Coles was the 2nd best WR at Florida St. yet at one point in time both of them were the best at their position on an NFL team. im sure there are other examples but those are the ones of the top of my head. sometimes guys develop later. sometimes the light "clicks" on a little later for some.

Im not saying Williams will ever be the best CB on an NFL team but I think he was undeservedly overshadowed at USF.[/quote]

Willis McGahee at Miami, Kellen Winslow at Miami,etc.

If you saw USF this year, you would know Trae Williams was a steal!

RE: Trae Williams

maize n blue — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:07:50 GMT

Williams will make this team as the 5th CB...unless Lito really is brought in. Williams is one of those guys you could try to put on your Practice Squad, but he wouldn't last two days.

RE: Trae Williams

jj82284 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:03:28 GMT

[quote][b]Larry (4/28/2008)[/b][hr]He could...he needs a good camp though.

He could have a place as a dime back.[/quote]

for a team that is going to man up that is bigger than you think,. on the inside his pseed won't be a concern with the safety help. he has terrific ball skills, and he will see the field in a dime capactiy. i think that with the scheme we run you have to keep at least 5 CB's on the active roster so right now i think that hw is penciled in. i think that michael grant has a shot at becoming a safety/corner hybrind and i think that this gardner kid should be fun to watch.

RE: Trae Williams

Caldrac — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53:08 GMT

Thats a big load of you know what. If Trae Williams was as good as those two make him seem out to be then he would have forced more passes towards Mike Jenkins on the opposite side, playing CB is just like playing WR, whoever the better CB/WR is out there on the field he's going to ultimately force passes thrown away from him, if Trae would have played as good as people thought, he would have been more consistent and forced the pressure back over to Mike. He didnt do that though. He did however, take advantage of Mike's superiority, he needs to thank Mike for all those INT's because he caused the ball to go in his direction. Which leads me to this point, he could barely play consistently opposite of a first round talent CB in Jenkins, so what makes people think that this guy can ever grow into a starter and play opposite of guys like Mathis,Williams and Florence? He cant, he'll be lucky, like already pointed out, to be a dime package CB and he'll be lucky if he lands the 4th spot or if he can even manage to bump Starks down the depth chart.

I would love nothing in the world for this kid to be better than where he was drafted at but im being realilistic. Special teamer at best. He will have to battle out Starks and whoever else we bring in for that fourth spot. That's it. JDR probably took him because he's close to Florida and they probably know alot about him. And they had alot of homework on the kid. In most cases this is a no brainer.

RE: Trae Williams

Stigma — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:37:49 GMT

[quote][b]Jags02 (4/29/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Larry (4/28/2008)[/b][hr]He could...he needs a good camp though.

He could have a place as a dime back.[/quote]

I believe he has a great chance, but there are a few guys he has to beat out first...

Rashad Moulton
Isaiah Gardner
Brian Witherspoon
Michael Grant

Again, I think he has a chance. However, Trae is 5-9 and runs a 4.5 40. I wouldn't be suprised if all four of these guys are bigger and faster.[/quote]

Good to see you so fired up.

RE: Trae Williams

Teal 'n Black — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:23:48 GMT

I think Michael Grant may be moved to safety. He played there quite a bit last year and we could sure use the depth. He has decent size at 5'11'' and 200 lbs. He could stand to add about 10 lbs or so, but that comes with being in the league.

RE: Trae Williams

TheSpacePope — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:48:56 GMT

[quote][b]rfc17 (4/28/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]HIGH SCORE (4/28/2008)[/b]

Who ever wrote that evaluation is delusional. If he thinks dude is going to leave USF where he is the 2nd best corner, and come to an NFL roster where he will magically be the best on the team.
That is some homerism if I have ever seen it.

Can you say 4th on the depth chart. 5th maybe.[/quote]

Priest Holmes was the 2nd best RB at Texas. Laveranues Coles was the 2nd best WR at Florida St. yet at one point in time both of them were the best at their position on an NFL team. im sure there are other examples but those are the ones of the top of my head. sometimes guys develop later. sometimes the light "clicks" on a little later for some.

Im not saying Williams will ever be the best CB on an NFL team but I think he was undeservedly overshadowed at USF.[/quote]

Wasn't Tom Brady a back-up at Michigan?

RE: Trae Williams

Jags02 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:47:43 GMT

[quote][b]Larry (4/28/2008)[/b][hr]He could...he needs a good camp though.

He could have a place as a dime back.[/quote]

I believe he has a great chance, but there are a few guys he has to beat out first...

Rashad Moulton
Isaiah Gardner
Brian Witherspoon
Michael Grant

Again, I think he has a chance. However, Trae is 5-9 and runs a 4.5 40. I wouldn't be suprised if all four of these guys are bigger and faster.

RE: Trae Williams

Jags02 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:39:51 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/28/2008)[/b][hr]The guy that covers him for the Tampa Tribute was just on with Mac and Ballou and he thought that Trae Williams could ultimately challenge for a starters spot at CB for the Jags.[/quote]

I'd say that's one guy that doesn't follow the Jaguars. There's absolutely no chance of this happening.

RE: Trae Williams

rfc17 — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:18:50 GMT

[quote][b]HIGH SCORE (4/28/2008)[/b]

Who ever wrote that evaluation is delusional. If he thinks dude is going to leave USF where he is the 2nd best corner, and come to an NFL roster where he will magically be the best on the team.
That is some homerism if I have ever seen it.

Can you say 4th on the depth chart. 5th maybe.[/quote]

Im not saying Williams will ever be the best CB on an NFL team but I think he was undeservedly overshadowed at USF.

RE: Trae Williams

HIGH SCORE — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:27:18 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/28/2008)[/b][hr]Here is a profile from The Huddle Report...

Trae Williams CB South Florida

STRENGTHS

Trae has nice size and strength to play his position. He has good speed and quickness and is an intelligent player. Trae has had a lot of action to his side of the field and has held up very well. He looks to have the quick twitch needed to be a strong cover corner at the next level and he's solid in zone coverage although zone was not the main DB defense used in most games that I saw. Trae looks to be an excellent teammate and exhibits leadership qualities that will serve him well at the next level.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE

Trae is not consistent with his techniques. He gets lazy and, at times, over-confident. The funny thing about this is that in a game when he makes a mistake, he loses his confidence, then stiffens up and loses his flexibility to react. I believe that all of this comes from the big brother-little brother syndrome. I feel that as soon as Trae is not on the same team as Mike, he will become more consistent. Trae is not a "lights out" tackler, but he gets the job done. He will have to play tougher when teams sweep to his side on running plays.

TALENT BOARD ROUND 2

I’m not saying this to be nasty or to make a joke or anything like that. I just feel that Trae needs to separate from Mike to spread his wings and finally be the one that everyone else looks up to, admires and takes direction from. The responsibility will make him concentrate more and become more consistent. Trae has as much ability to play CB at the next level as Mike does. Their talents may be a little different, but as far as getting the job done, I believe in the end that will be the same. This kid right now is a #2 CB with the potential to be a #1 CB. The only thing holding him back was the pressure on his college team for him to be consistent was not there, so he never had to develop that part of his talent. Now the need will be there and I feel that he will step up as soon as he realizes that he might be the most talented CB on his new team. Trae is a quality player and if he played with a little more consistency in his techniques, I would have given him a first grade talent along with his fellow teammate. To be honest, it would not surprise me at all if some team took him late in the first round. It’s a bit of a long shot, but I have seen bigger long shots in a draft. I remember when an NFL team drafted a known criminal in the third round one year. I even remember when a team drafted a player in the top five of the NFL draft after he signed with a professional baseball team; he never played -- left the club and took the guaranteed portion of the contract he signed! So drafting Trae in the latter part of the first would not be a bad move. I think Trae will be successful at whatever point he is drafted in this draft. I also think he will become consistent very quickly once the pressure is on. This is a quality kid with great talent that just needs some time to reach his full potential as a CB and a leader.[/quote]

Who ever wrote that evaluation is delusional. If he thinks dude is going to leave USF where he is the 2nd best corner, and come to an NFL roster where he will magically be the best on the team.
That is some homerism if I have ever seen it.

Can you say 4th on the depth chart. 5th maybe.

RE: Trae Williams

D6 — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:58:20 GMT

Trae Williams' ball skills are attention getting to say the least. Williams had 13 interception combined in his final 2 seasons with USF. Including 3 interceptions returned for TD's as a Senior.

Sometimes, stats can be misleading. Yet, even if Trae Williams " only " becomes a quality nickel back and special teams performer, I'm sure the Jaguars organization will be thrilled with the value that he gave the team. For what it's worth, Trae Williams was someone who was on my priority list for the Lions two 5th Round picks, earlier in the Round.

RE: Trae Williams

rfc17 — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:02:03 GMT

I think Williams was dropped due to his size and 40 but look at Brandon Flowers. Flowers 5-10 189 4.55 Williams is 5-9 193 4.51.

dont get me wrong Flowers is a good player, but he came into the offseason with more hype. Williams was lost in the shadow of his teammate(even though williams was more productive).

I think we got a steal in Trae Williams.

RE: Trae Williams

Krayz_Jville_D — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:00:17 GMT

trae will make this team....

and he is not a 4.6 guy... he consistently ran around 4.5

RE: Trae Williams

Stigma — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:56:40 GMT

Here is a profile from The Huddle Report...

Trae Williams CB South Florida

STRENGTHS

NEEDS TO IMPROVE

TALENT BOARD ROUND 2

RE: Trae Williams

JT Jag — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:53:36 GMT

Trae is the total package at CB. He's mentally tough, a smart player, knows what he has to do, has great anticipation and outstanding ball skills.

The problem is that he doesn't have the great measurables you look for. The prototypical cornerback is 6'1 205 and runs a 4.4 40. Trae is 5'9 193 and runs a 4.6.

Does he have the body to succeed in the NFL? We have to hope so.

RE: Trae Williams

Teal 'n Black — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:50:11 GMT

Don't forget we do have an additional CB spot open with losing both Aaron Glenn and Terry Cousin. We've only filled one of those spots in Drayton Florence. Ultimately, what can he do on special teams the first couple of years and he'll have an opportunity for more time in the future.

RE: Trae Williams

JacksJags — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:36:44 GMT

[quote][b]jags_on_the_prowl (4/28/2008)[/b][hr]I dont know much about this guy. Do you think he could make our team.... he has got to replace Terry Cousin.... right?[/quote]

I have got to think yes.

Age, and this kid from USF seems like the real deal.

RE: Trae Williams

Larry — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:35:31 GMT

He could...he needs a good camp though.

He could have a place as a dime back.

RE: Trae Williams

Stigma — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:34:05 GMT

The guy that covers him for the Tampa Tribute was just on with Mac and Ballou and he thought that Trae Williams could ultimately challenge for a starters spot at CB for the Jags.

RE: Trae Williams

Teal 'n Black — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:24 GMT

It all depends on Brian Williams. If they keep B-Dub at corner, then I would say Drayton Florence will replace Terry Cousin. If they move Williams to SS, I would say Florence would probably take the CB position opposite Rashean and then Starks and Trae Williams would fight it out for the nickle spot.

Trae Williams

jags_on_the_prowl — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:26:18 GMT

I dont know much about this guy. Do you think he could make our team.... he has got to replace Terry Cousin.... right?