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RE: Mel Kiper

Alfie — Mon, 05 May 2008 07:51:13 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/4/2008)[/b][hr]
That's what I've been saying about Flacco. If they were so in love with Flacco, they could have signed Leftwich off the street. It's basically the same guy.[/quote]

Maybe they feel Flacco is more coachable than the headstrong, arrogant Leftwich.
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"I take message board rumors and run with them!!!"

Why do people think Leftwich wasn't coachable? Because they tinkered with his mechanics and it screwed him all up for 2 games so they stopped?

RE: Mel Kiper

maize n blue — Sun, 04 May 2008 23:12:40 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/4/2008)[/b][hr]
That's what I've been saying about Flacco. If they were so in love with Flacco, they could have signed Leftwich off the street. It's basically the same guy.[/quote]

Maybe they feel Flacco is more coachable than the headstrong, arrogant Leftwich.
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Maybe they don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. Maybe they have ZERO ability as an organization to judge the NFL readiness of a QB. I'd like to know exactly what they saw in Flacco that sets him apart from what they already have in Boller. Oh yeah, he's tall.[/quote]

And you have a legit point there as well.

The current Ravens FO has proven that they pretty much suck at drafting/ developing QB's. They have had their best success with veterans acquired via trades/ FA over their current regime. (Dilfer/ McNair) [/quote]

With all the problems that team has and all the holes to fill now and in the very near future, you'd think that another position would carry a higher value for them. Especially considering they have a young QB on the roster with all the physical talent in the world. They've got a new coach with a new system. I just don't get it. [/quote]

It's like this....too many new coaches/ regimes want to put their OWN stamp on the team/ rebuilding process. They often do this by picking "their" QB early in their first draft, often with their first pick.

Look no further than our own. Brunell and Garrard were on the roster, this team had many holes to fill, and they still picked Leftwich with their first draft choice, even with a guy like Suggs falling into their laps at pick 7.

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I understand the dynamics, but Byron wasn't overdrafted like Flacco. He wasn't a reach where we drafted him. He simply had an unfortunate career with us, mainly in regards to his seemingly constant injuries.

I understand bringing in "your guy". I'm just saying they could have snagged the same guy 10 picks later, AT LEAST.

RE: Mel Kiper

The Mad Dog — Sun, 04 May 2008 23:06:28 GMT

[quote][b]maize n blue (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/4/2008)[/b][hr]
That's what I've been saying about Flacco. If they were so in love with Flacco, they could have signed Leftwich off the street. It's basically the same guy.[/quote]

Maybe they feel Flacco is more coachable than the headstrong, arrogant Leftwich.
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RE: Mel Kiper

maize n blue — Sun, 04 May 2008 22:54:00 GMT

[quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/4/2008)[/b][hr]
That's what I've been saying about Flacco. If they were so in love with Flacco, they could have signed Leftwich off the street. It's basically the same guy.[/quote]

Maybe they feel Flacco is more coachable than the headstrong, arrogant Leftwich.
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RE: Mel Kiper

The Mad Dog — Sun, 04 May 2008 22:50:00 GMT

[quote][b]maize n blue (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]The Mad Dog (5/4/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/4/2008)[/b][hr]
That's what I've been saying about Flacco. If they were so in love with Flacco, they could have signed Leftwich off the street. It's basically the same guy.[/quote]

Maybe they feel Flacco is more coachable than the headstrong, arrogant Leftwich.
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RE: Mel Kiper

maize n blue — Sun, 04 May 2008 22:41:32 GMT

RE: Mel Kiper

The Mad Dog — Sun, 04 May 2008 22:37:13 GMT

[quote][b]Alfie (5/4/2008)[/b][hr]
That's what I've been saying about Flacco. If they were so in love with Flacco, they could have signed Leftwich off the street. It's basically the same guy.[/quote]

Maybe they feel Flacco is more coachable than the headstrong, arrogant Leftwich.

RE: Mel Kiper

Alfie — Sun, 04 May 2008 21:53:18 GMT

[quote][b]NorCal Jag (5/3/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/3/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]INT (5/2/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/2/2008)[/b][hr]He's a Ravens fan and he's upset we absolutely smoked them in a trade.[/quote]

hah, good point.[/quote]

I keep seeing him talk about the Ravens have one of the best drafts from a value stand point. Are you kidding me Mel? Trading up to 18 to get Flacco?

I thought the Ravens already had Kyle Boller... ?[/quote]

I really don't even like Flacco. I think it's hilarious when a guy is a fourth-rounder or so after the season, and then in the massive buildup to the draft somehow makes it up to a "great value" at pick #18 overall. Flacco has HORRIBLE mobility in the pocket...I could see him turning out just like Leftwich, though maybe with a little quicker release but not quite as good of decision-making. If you're going to trade up for a QB, why not Brohm? I think Brohm could be better than every QB except Ryan in this draft (that's not out of the question either).

Kiper is simply bashing us because of the value he assigned to Harvey on "his" board. He HAS to defend his rankings hard, or no one will take them seriously. If he was to love the pick of the #23 guy on his board at #8 overall, that would seem kind of strange. Of course, the fact that Harvey was lower than 15 on his board is a joke, but still... :P[/quote]

That's what I've been saying about Flacco. If they were so in love with Flacco, they could have signed Leftwich off the street. It's basically the same guy.

It's too bad they failed at developing Boller, he's got nice tools.

RE: Mel Kiper

Fargin — Sat, 03 May 2008 08:42:25 GMT

[quote][b]jj82284 (4/30/2008)[/b][hr]Mel has us at the bottom of the south in the draft and is ocnstantly talking about the trade for jason taylor. i figured this out last season (althouhg i should have figured it our a while ago). these guys care about nothing but their reputation. he was all on the trade's leg talking about inside information that it wil cost this and this will happen and so on and so forth. then when it falls through he looks like an who made stuff up. to protect his ego he has to try and say that his idea was the know all end all of ideas and that anyone who doesn't do what he said is stupid.

the truth is that we did get jason taylor in the second round, just a younger version in quentin groves.

the most emberassing thing was that he gave clevland a b+ because they traded all their draft picks for players. how the hell do you get a... anyway. [/quote]

Is Mel really the Chihooahooa?

RE: Mel Kiper

Jagifornia — Sat, 03 May 2008 01:37:51 GMT

[quote][b]Alfie (5/3/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]INT (5/2/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/2/2008)[/b][hr]He's a Ravens fan and he's upset we absolutely smoked them in a trade.[/quote]

hah, good point.[/quote]

I keep seeing him talk about the Ravens have one of the best drafts from a value stand point. Are you kidding me Mel? Trading up to 18 to get Flacco?

I thought the Ravens already had Kyle Boller... ?[/quote]

I really don't even like Flacco. I think it's hilarious when a guy is a fourth-rounder or so after the season, and then in the massive buildup to the draft somehow makes it up to a "great value" at pick #18 overall. Flacco has HORRIBLE mobility in the pocket...I could see him turning out just like Leftwich, though maybe with a little quicker release but not quite as good of decision-making. If you're going to trade up for a QB, why not Brohm? I think Brohm could be better than every QB except Ryan in this draft (that's not out of the question either).

Kiper is simply bashing us because of the value he assigned to Harvey on "his" board. He HAS to defend his rankings hard, or no one will take them seriously. If he was to love the pick of the #23 guy on his board at #8 overall, that would seem kind of strange. Of course, the fact that Harvey was lower than 15 on his board is a joke, but still... :P

RE: Mel Kiper

Alfie — Sat, 03 May 2008 01:19:55 GMT

[quote][b]INT (5/2/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Alfie (5/2/2008)[/b][hr]He's a Ravens fan and he's upset we absolutely smoked them in a trade.[/quote]

hah, good point.[/quote]

I keep seeing him talk about the Ravens have one of the best drafts from a value stand point. Are you kidding me Mel? Trading up to 18 to get Flacco?

I thought the Ravens already had Kyle Boller... ?

RE: Mel Kiper

INT — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:44:39 GMT

[quote][b]Alfie (5/2/2008)[/b][hr]He's a Ravens fan and he's upset we absolutely smoked them in a trade.[/quote]

hah, good point.

RE: Mel Kiper

Alfie — Fri, 02 May 2008 09:35:39 GMT

He's a Ravens fan and he's upset we absolutely smoked them in a trade.

RE: Mel Kiper

Sage — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:07:20 GMT

Mrjority of sports has us around a B, that's all I care about it.

RE: Mel Kiper

HURRICANE!!! — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:50:27 GMT

Kiper has officially become the class clown when it comes to the draft. He constantly contradicts himself. I believe the presense of McShay has him grasping for attention so he has become more of a shock jock to get attention.

For the record, the USA Today gave Houston & Tennesee a D and the Jags a B+

Mel Kiper

jj82284 — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:45:20 GMT

Mel has us at the bottom of the south in the draft and is ocnstantly talking about the trade for jason taylor. i figured this out last season (althouhg i should have figured it our a while ago). these guys care about nothing but their reputation. he was all on the trade's leg talking about inside information that it wil cost this and this will happen and so on and so forth. then when it falls through he looks like an who made stuff up. to protect his ego he has to try and say that his idea was the know all end all of ideas and that anyone who doesn't do what he said is stupid.

the truth is that we did get jason taylor in the second round, just a younger version in quentin groves.

the most emberassing thing was that he gave clevland a b+ because they traded all their draft picks for players. how the hell do you get a... anyway.