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RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

jagabc6893 — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:10:23 GMT

WOW! That is one screwed up mock draft. Rivers going to KC at #5? Chris Johnson going in the first round to Tampa? Fred Davis going to Tennessee in the 1st round after they just signed Crumpler and have much bigger needs than TE? And the biggest miss.....the Jags taking QB Brian Brohm after Garrard just signed a $60M contract. This guy is brilliant.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

rfc17 — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:13:17 GMT

Gosselin is the best in the business at determining the value of players as closely as the NFL scouts do.

but i dont know about that mock for us.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

MJD=MVP2007 — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:07:44 GMT

No way chicago would pass on Mendenhall

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

wadsworth — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:41:59 GMT

I found this interesting after the development of this thread.

and falling before other people. I would rate his mocks top 5.

[url=http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/041208dnspomockdraft.532bcdf5.html]LINK to Mock Draft[/url]

Rick Gosselin's NFL mock draft (4/11)

01:37 PM CDT on Friday, April 11, 2008

This is the first of three Rick Gosselin mock drafts. It is based on a draft board compiled through discussions with NFL talent evaluators. This mock draft primarily adopts the best-player-available philosophy. Next weekend's mock draft will more heavily weigh team needs.

Bill Parcells loves size.

With a primary voice in his last eight NFL drafts, Parcells has used his influence to draft six defensive front seven players in eight first-round selections: linebackers Bobby Carpenter (2006) and DeMarcus Ware (2005) and defensive end Marcus Spears (2005) in Dallas, and ends Shaun Ellis (2000) and John Abraham (2000) and linebacker James Farrior (1997) with the New York Jets.

In his first draft as president of the Miami Dolphins in 2008, Parcells continues to covet size. He believes you win championships up front with your offensive and defensive lines.

Parcells has four solid options with the first overall pick of the 2008 draft: defensive ends Vernon Gholston and Chris Long, defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey and offensive tackle Jake Long.

The most glaring need on his roster is at offensive tackle, so give Jake Long to the Dolphins in the first mock draft offering from The Dallas Morning News.

Team Player Pos. School
1. Miami Jake Long OT Michigan
Comment: Safest pick on the draft board

2. St. Louis Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
Comment: Won Lombardi, Lott, Nagurski and Outland trophies

3. Atlanta Matt Ryan QB Boston College
Comment: Falcons need reason for hope

4. Oakland Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
Comment: The next Adrian Peterson?

5. Kansas City Keith Rivers LB Southern California
Comment: Player who knows how to win championships

6. NY Jets Chris Long DE Virginia
Comment: The Long family stays in the AFC

7. New England Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
Comment: Best pass rusher in the draft

8. Baltimore Ryan Clady OT Boise State
Comment: Heir apparent to Jonathan Ogden at left tackle

9. Cincinnati Sedrick Ellis DT Southern California
Comment: NFL's 27th-ranked defense starts building an identity

10. New Orleans Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
Comment: Best kick returner in draft

11. Buffalo Branden Albert G Virginia
Comment: Better blocking makes Marshawn Lynch a better runner

12. Denver Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon
Comment: A potential NFL rushing champion for the Broncos

13. Carolina Derrick Harvey DE Florida
Comment: The heir apparent to Mike Rucker on the weakside

14. Chicago Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh
Comment: Best run blocker in the draft

15. Detroit Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois
Comment: Gives hope to the NFC's worst rushing attack

16. Arizona Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State
Comment: Help for the NFL's 28th-ranked pass defense

17. Minnesota Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
Comment: Vikings desperate for speed on the flank

18. Houston Mike Jenkins CB South Florida
Comment: Help for the NFL's 25th-ranked pass defense

19. Philadelphia Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
Comment: Heir apparent to William Thomas at left tackle

20. Tampa Bay Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
Comment: Give the fastest player in the draft to the Bucs

21. Washington Phillip Merling DE Clemson
Comment: You need muscle to compete in the NFC East

22. Dallas Felix Jones RB Arkansas
Comment: A speed complement to Marion Barber

23. Pittsburgh Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
Comment: Beefing up the NFL's best defense

24. Tennessee Fred Davis TE Southern California
Comment: An underneath target for QB Vince Young

25. Seattle Kenny Phillips S Miami
Comment: Seahawks still looking to replace Ken Hamlin

[b]26. Jacksonville Brian Brohm QB Louisville
Comment: Quarterbacking depth to compete in AFC South
[/b]
27. San Diego Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee
Comment: Chargers love linebackers

28. Dallas James Hardy WR Indiana
Comment: More TDs in fewer games in 2007 than Terrell Owens

29. San Francisco DeSean Jackson WR California
Comment: 49ers are desperate for offensive playmakers

30. Green Bay Aqib Talib CB Kansas
Comment: Packers like big, physical corners

31. NY Giants Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
Comment: Giants like big, physical wide receivers

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

wadsworth — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:09:56 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/11/2008)[/b][hr]There is no doubt that there is some risk in this scenario but if Brian Brohm is actually the BAP on the board then the risk is minimal. The Jags could do worse than have a Franchise Type QB waiting in the wings ready to start after year three of David's contract when all the guaranteed money has been paid out. This is no slight on David, it is just the situation that the Jags may find themselves in come draft day.

Similarly if Jonathan Stewart of Oregon falls to Pick 26, he would represent that BAP and the Jags may be forced to take him even though RB is not an area of need.

The last thing the Jags should do is reach for a player like Prisco did in his most recent mock draft. Bottomline, if the Jags take the BAP regardless of need, they will be taking the more prudent path.[/quote]

I agree. I have no problem with taking Brohm in the first if he is indeed the best remaining player on their board and they are prepared to keep him. It's only the idea that they take him to force a trade that I'd have issue with. That's too much risk with too limited potential for reward for my taste. Now if they take him and Atlanta or someone else makes the right deal, cool. But don't take him counting on someone to come to your rescue.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

Jags2DaDeath — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:15:10 GMT

I agree about not reaching where they are. I would like them to take Kenny Phillips if he is there or trade down as has been discussed.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

Stigma — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:39:46 GMT

There is no doubt that there is some risk in this scenario but if Brian Brohm is actually the BAP on the board then the risk is minimal. The Jags could do worse than have a Franchise Type QB waiting in the wings ready to start after year three of David's contract when all the guaranteed money has been paid out. This is no slight on David, it is just the situation that the Jags may find themselves in come draft day.

Similarly if Jonathan Stewart of Oregon falls to Pick 26, he would represent that BAP and the Jags may be forced to take him even though RB is not an area of need.

The last thing the Jags should do is reach for a player like Prisco did in his most recent mock draft. Bottomline, if the Jags take the BAP regardless of need, they will be taking the more prudent path.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

wadsworth — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:51:46 GMT

The Jags had a chance to do something similar with Big Ben. The Jags had just drafted Leftwich the previous year and everyone knew they would not take Ben so the offers where weaker than normal. The Jags took Reggie Williams with the pick and Pitt got what they wanted without having to trade up.

This type of bold drafting doesn't happen often in the NFL, and with good reason. In almost every situation the other team has other options. With the Big Ben scenario for example. Pitt may have simply taken Kyle Boller, who was also rated highly, and told the Jags good luck with back to back first round QBs. Sure, maybe Baltimore makes a deal at that point, but maybe they don't. Also, trading the QB later in the NFL is a huge problem, because in the NFL almost all trades involve draft picks. If you can't find a deal on draft day, it effects the rest of your draft this year and you are looking at only getting picks next season in return. The stakes are too high. Do you really want to risk getting stuck with a QB in the first round, for the benefit of picking up a 5th round pick? That's basically what you are talking about. You can almost always get a 2nd and 3rd for a late first rounder, even if one is next season. I don't think the added benefit of a 5th is worth the risk. And if you can't even get a 2nd and 3rd when the Jags pick, what makes you think you can get a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th later?

You aren't going to hold anyone hostage with a pick taken that late. If you make that move, you better be 100% ready to start the season with Brohm on your roster. I'm a big fan of Brohm and it wouldn't bother me a bit. But you can't draft him without a deal already set up unless you are prepared to keep him.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

Bon Jagley — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:33:07 GMT

I could see them trading out of round 1 if some team really likes Brohm and wants to move up. But I don't think you take him with hopes of trading. Except for Manning/Rivers I cannot think of another example of that happening. That is more of an NBA thing.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

Its Meier Time — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:37:26 GMT

[quote][b]jagabc6893 (4/10/2008)[/b][hr]I like it except for the two injured players who both have knee issues. I don't like the idea of drafting them that high then hoping their knees totally heal. I would take the best available TE in round 4 (maybe Kellen Davis). I think Slaton will go at the very beginning of round 4, not the end. All the rest looks like a great idea to me....including the trade. But what if Atlanta would not trade? They would hold all the cards because they know we do not need a QB after signing Garrard to the big contract. They could basically dictate what they would give us because they know we would be in deep crap if they did not take Brohm.[/quote]

Exactly...I'd rather just trade the pick, instead of making the pick and trading the player. BTW, I'm not a big fan of Nicks.

RE: Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

jagabc6893 — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:32:07 GMT

I like it except for the two injured players who both have knee issues. I don't like the idea of drafting them that high then hoping their knees totally heal. I would take the best available TE in round 4 (maybe Kellen Davis). I think Slaton will go at the very beginning of round 4, not the end. All the rest looks like a great idea to me....including the trade. But what if Atlanta would not trade? They would hold all the cards because they know we do not need a QB after signing Garrard to the big contract. They could basically dictate what they would give us because they know we would be in deep crap if they did not take Brohm.

Jags Might NEED to Draft Brian Brohm in Rd 1 To Force a Trade

Stigma — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:11:36 GMT

With the way the current draft board is shaking out, it is quite possible that the Jags will not have any player that they really would like to take at Pick 26. Now of course this would suggest that the Jags trade down, but all trades take two parties to make the trade happen. One way for the Jags to potentially insure a trade is to draft Brian Brohm at Pick 26 and then negotiate with the Falcons to trade down later.

Using the draft pick value chart, Pick 26 in Rd 1 is worth Pick 48 in Rd 2, Pick 68 in Rd 3 and Pick 138 in Rd 5. If the Jags drafted Brian Brohm and then made the trade with the Falcons before Pick 48 in Rd 2, then the Jags draft could look something like this.

Rd 2(48): Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska

He played very well at the Sr. Bowl at the OLT position filling a specific team need.

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

Big DT that fills the spot that Marcus Stroud had in DT rotation.

Rd 3(68): DaJuan Morgan - SS - N.C. State

Jags draft a Safety to play beside Reggie Nelson or at the minimum backup both Nelson and Sensabaugh.

Rd 3(71): Brian Johnston - DE - Gardner Webb

The Jags have the draft picks and a need at DE, so why not take a shot at greatness with this small school gem?

Rd 3(89): Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest

The cupboard is bare at the DE spot so why not stock up the cupboard with back to back DE picks.

Rd 4(125): Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia

Slaton allows MJD to not have to be exposed to injury on kickoff returns. Slaton is also a dangerous reciever out of the backfield. He could be the Jags version of Reggie Bush.

Rd 5(138): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

Can play all three LB spots. Runs a 4.47/40. Can cover RBs and TE out of backfield and can rush the passer.

Rd 5(143): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin

Jags pick up a starting caliber CB that will go on IR for the 2008 season to heal from his ACL injury.

Rd 5(158): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

Jags draft their QB of the future, who sits out of the 2008 season in IR while healing from his ACL injury.

Rd 5(159): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

Jags take a recieving TE that has the speed to get deep.

The key to this draft is taking Brian Brohm, assuming he is on the Board at Pick 26, thus forcing a deal with the Falcons to move down from Rd 1.