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RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:39:50 GMT

OK, I have been good for at least a month now, but no more! I got to give a mock draft with more wacky trades because the draft board is getting a bit dull.

Rd 1(26): Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College

If he gets past the Steelers then he will be the Jags pick and will be given a year to ready himself to become the teams next OLT in 2009.

TRADE: Jags trade Picks 58 (Rd 2) and 89 (Rd 3) to the Falcons for Picks 48 (Rd 2), 138 (Rd 5) and 212 (Rd7).

Rd 2(48): Calais Campbell - DE - Miami

The Jags consider taking Campbell in Rd 1 but when he slides in Rd 2 the Jags jump up and trade with the Falcons to grab him.

Rd 3(71): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

Jags take a space-eater that will fit into the DT rotation spot vacated by Marcus Stroud.

TRADE: Jags trade Matt Jones to the Bengals for Pick 112 in Rd 4.

Rd 4(112): Dexter Jackson - PR/WR - Appalachian State

Jags take a Punt Returner and slot WR in an attempt to replace Dennis Northcutt.

Rd 4(125): Steve Slaton - RB - West Virginia

Jags jump on this specialty RB that will be in the same backfield with MoJo on 3rd down and long plays. A poor man Reggie Bush type RB that is really a better recieving RB than a pounder. Mojo will be kept from running back kickoffs to protect him and his legs so this function will fall to Steve Slaton.

Rd 5(138): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

Jags grab another LB from Ga. Tech that can play all three LB spots and is pretty good in pass coverage and is very good at blitzing the QB.

Rd 5(143): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB/S - Wisconsin

Jags draft a CB/FS prospect that will be placed on IR for the 2008 season so he can be ready to compete for a roster spot in 2009.

Rd 5(158): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

Jags take their future 2nd string QB who will be placed on IR for the 2008 season and be ready for the the 2009 season.

Rd 5(159): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

A very good recieving TE that will need to learn to block better. His hands are exceptional and his speed is better than that of Marcedes Lewis.

Rd 7(212): Chris Horton - SS - UCLA

Jags take a big hitter to compete for the SS spot behind Gerald Sensabaugh. Horton has good speed but has had wrist injuries that may be the reason this talented player falls this far in the draft.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:45:43 GMT

[quote][b]pcjagfan1146 (4/9/2008)[/b][hr]Titans are more likely to take Groves than Campbell.[/quote]

I am now thinking the Titans will take a WR and Campbell and Groves both will fall to the Jags. `Big slow guy or small quick guy. Tough call.

RE: Would This Work?

pcjagfan1146 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:30:04 GMT

Titans are more likely to take Groves than Campbell.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:05:05 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]I see Calais Campbell being taken either by the Redskins or the Titans.

I am not a fan of Kentwan Balmer.

DeSean Jackson is not even 170 Lbs soaking wet.

Name:*DeSean Jackson
College:CaliforniaNumber: 1
Height: 5-10Weight: 169
Position:WRPos2: KR
Class/Draft Year:Jr/2008
40 Time:4.3540 Low:4.2740 High:4.43

I know he has skills, but he is very tiny to be a featured WR.

Perhaps he will fall to the Colts in Rd 2 and he and Peyton can take long hot showers together for many years into the future.
[/quote]

LOL. Marvin would be jealous.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:38:34 GMT

I see Calais Campbell being taken either by the Redskins or the Titans.

I am not a fan of Kentwan Balmer.

DeSean Jackson is not even 170 Lbs soaking wet.

Name: *DeSean Jackson
College: California Number: 1
Height: 5-10 Weight: 169
Position: WR Pos2: KR
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2008
40 Time: 4.35 40 Low: 4.27 40 High: 4.43

I know he has skills, but he is very tiny to be a featured WR.

Perhaps he will fall to the Colts in Rd 2 and he and Peyton can take long hot showers together for many years into the future.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:35:55 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]jagabc6893 (4/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Stigma (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]Players Rising and Falling as projected by Josh Buchanan:

Rising:

Rd 3- 3-66 Kansas City- WR/RS Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State, 5’9, 179, 4.37

Falling:

Rd 6-20-186 Washington- OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska , 6’5, 341, 5.15[/quote]

And he also has OT Jeff Otah going #5 overall. He has Seattle reaching on RB Chris Johnson in the 1st round after they just signed Julius Jones and T. Duckett. He has the Giants taking a WR in the first round. He has Eddie Royal being drafted before Desean Jackson at WR. You are putting stock in this guy's evaluations? I may not be the best draft analyst, but all of those picks seem pretty bad.[/quote]

Yeah, I do put a lot of stock in this guys opinion.

I also believe that it is possible that Jeff Otah is a Top 10 Pick.

As far as Chris Johnson, he just may be the next Clinton Portis, that is when Portis was really special.

Believe it or not, but there are many scouts who think that Eddie Royal could be that next great return guy in the NFL coming out in this draft.

DeSean Jackson is a beanpole who maybe fast but when some Safety hits him he will be on IR before the season is half over.[/quote]

OK, if you say so. Anything could happen I guess. BTW, Marvin Harrison is pretty much a beanpole and he is decent. ;)

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:33:20 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Its Meier Time (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]I don't buy the whole Quentin Groves is too small theory. Look at his size compared to other d-ends in the league.

He's bigger than KGB, Aaron Schobel, and Robert Mathis.

The fact remains, he's an explosive pass rusher and we know the number 1 need for this team is just that. A pass rushing defensive end.[/quote]

I definitely think that the Jags would take Quentin Groves over Lawrence Jackson in Rd 1. I think that the Jags would prefer to take Phillip Merling if he fell and I think they are all over Jeff Otah if he falls. I think the Jags would consider taking the OG/OT from Virginia if he fell to them.

In the end I think the Jags will have to choose between:

Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College

and

Quentin Groves - DE - Auburn

In this case, I think they choose Cherilus, but if Cherilus is gone say to Seattle or Pittsburgh and only Groves is left available I could see the Jags taking Quentin Groves.

[/quote]

Yeah, I see them having to choose between those same guys. I would add Kentwan Balmer to the mix also. Do you think Calais Campbell is no longer an option in the first now? I am leaning that way.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:27:38 GMT

[quote][b]jagabc6893 (4/8/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Stigma (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]Players Rising and Falling as projected by Josh Buchanan:

Rising:

Rd 3- 3-66 Kansas City- WR/RS Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State, 5’9, 179, 4.37

Falling:

Rd 6-20-186 Washington- OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska , 6’5, 341, 5.15[/quote]

And he also has OT Jeff Otah going #5 overall. He has Seattle reaching on RB Chris Johnson in the 1st round after they just signed Julius Jones and T. Duckett. He has the Giants taking a WR in the first round. He has Eddie Royal being drafted before Desean Jackson at WR. You are putting stock in this guy's evaluations? I may not be the best draft analyst, but all of those picks seem pretty bad.[/quote]

Yeah, I do put a lot of stock in this guys opinion.

I also believe that it is possible that Jeff Otah is a Top 10 Pick.

As far as Chris Johnson, he just may be the next Clinton Portis, that is when Portis was really special.

Believe it or not, but there are many scouts who think that Eddie Royal could be that next great return guy in the NFL coming out in this draft.

DeSean Jackson is a beanpole who maybe fast but when some Safety hits him he will be on IR before the season is half over.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:24:01 GMT

[quote][b]Its Meier Time (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]I don't buy the whole Quentin Groves is too small theory. Look at his size compared to other d-ends in the league.

He's bigger than KGB, Aaron Schobel, and Robert Mathis.

The fact remains, he's an explosive pass rusher and we know the number 1 need for this team is just that. A pass rushing defensive end.[/quote]

I definitely think that the Jags would take Quentin Groves over Lawrence Jackson in Rd 1. I think that the Jags would prefer to take Phillip Merling if he fell and I think they are all over Jeff Otah if he falls. I think the Jags would consider taking the OG/OT from Virginia if he fell to them.

In the end I think the Jags will have to choose between:

Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College

and

Quentin Groves - DE - Auburn

In this case, I think they choose Cherilus, but if Cherilus is gone say to Seattle or Pittsburgh and only Groves is left available I could see the Jags taking Quentin Groves.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:24:00 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]Players Rising and Falling as projected by Josh Buchanan:

Rising:

Rd 3- 3-66 Kansas City- WR/RS Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State, 5’9, 179, 4.37

Falling:

Rd 6-20-186 Washington- OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska , 6’5, 341, 5.15[/quote]

And he also has OT Jeff Otah going #5 overall. He has Seattle reaching on RB Chris Johnson in the 1st round after they just signed Julius Jones and T. Duckett. He has the Giants taking a WR in the first round. He has Eddie Royal being drafted before Desean Jackson at WR. You are putting stock in this guy's evaluations? I may not be the best draft analyst, but all of those picks seem pretty bad.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:12:37 GMT

Players Rising and Falling as projected by Josh Buchanan:

Rising:

Rd 3- 3-66 Kansas City- WR/RS Dexter Jackson, Appalachian State, 5’9, 179, 4.37

Falling:

Rd 6-20-186 Washington- OT Carl Nicks, Nebraska , 6’5, 341, 5.15

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:56:16 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]Here is a 7 Rd Mock draft from a guy whose Dad almost invented the Mock Draft at ProFootballWeekly.

Check it out and note where some players fall:

http://nfldraftguys.com/features/08_mock_draft_buchanan_080408.php[/quote]

Which players are you wanting us to check out? Some seem too high. Mostly in the 2nd round.

1- 1- 1 Miami - OT Jake Long, Michigan , 6’7, 315, 5.22

1- 2- 2 St. Louis - DE Chris Long, Virginia, 6’3, 272, 4.75

1- 3- 3 Atlanta - QB Matt Ryan, Boston College , 6’5, 222, 4.89

1- 4- 4 Oakland - DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU, 6’2, 297, 5.08

1- 5- 5 Kansas City- OT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh , 6’6, 322, 5.56

1- 6- 6 New York Jets- RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas , 6’1, 215, 4.33

1- 7- 7 New England from San Francisco- DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State, 6’3, 263, 4.58

1- 8- 8 Baltimore- DT Sedrick Ellis, Southern California , 6’1, 298, 5.05

1- 9- 9 Cincinnati - DE Derrick Harvey, Florida , 6’5, 269, 4.85

1-10-10 New Orleans- CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy , 5’10, 190, 4.38

1-11-11 Buffalo- OLB Keith Rivers, Southern California , 6’2, 232, 4.54

1-12-12 Denver- OT Ryan Clady, Boise State , 6’6, 311, 5.18

1-13-13 Carolina- RB Rashard Mendenhall , Illinois , 5’10, 225, 4.45

1-14-14 Chicago- OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt, 6’6, 320, 5.17

1-15-15 Detroit - CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida , 5’10, 193, 4.38

1-16-16 Arizona- CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie , Tennessee State, 6’1, 182, 4.29

1-17-17 Minnesota- WR Devin Thomas, Michigan State , 6’2, 210, 4.40

1-18-18 Houston- FS Kenny Phillips, Miami , 6’2, 212, 4.48

1-19-19 Philadelphia- OG/OT Branden Albert , Virginia , 6’6, 309, 5.17

1-20-20 Tampa Bay- RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon , 5’10, 235, 4.48

1-21-21 Washington- CB Antoine Cason, Arizona , 6’0, 187, 4.45

1-22-22 Dallas from Cleveland- RB Felix Jones, Arkansas , 5’10, 210, 4.47

1-23-23 Pittsburgh- DE Phillip Merling, Clemson, 6’4, 276, 4.73

1-24-24 Tennessee- WR Limas Sweed, Texas , 6’4, 210, 4.50

1-25-25 Seattle- RB Chris Johnson, East Carolina , 5’11, 197, 4.24

1-26-26 Jacksonville- DE Lawrence Jackson , Southern California , 6’4, 267, 4.82

1-27-27 San Diego- CB Aquib Talib, Kansas , 6’1, 197, 4.42

1-28-28 Dallas- ILB Dan Connor, Penn State , 6’3, 231, 4.67

1-29-29 San Francisco from Indianapolis- OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College, 6’8, 317, 5.00

1-30-30 Green Bay- DE/OLB Quentin Groves, Auburn , 6’3, 249, 4.53

1- New England- Forfeited due to Spygate

1-31-31 New York Giants- WR James Hardy, Indiana, 6’5, 214, 4.49

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:51:12 GMT

[quote][b]Its Meier Time (4/8/2008)[/b][hr]I don't buy the whole Quentin Groves is too small theory. Look at his size compared to other d-ends in the league.

He's bigger than KGB, Aaron Schobel, and Robert Mathis.

The fact remains, he's an explosive pass rusher and we know the number 1 need for this team is just that. A pass rushing defensive end.[/quote]

He may not be too small for the NFL in general, but for this team. I guess I am just used to seeing big guys at DE for the Jags. Maybe that is the problem. Resisting change.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:46:49 GMT

Here is a 7 Rd Mock draft from a guy whose Dad almost invented the Mock Draft at ProFootballWeekly.

Check it out and note where some players fall:

http://nfldraftguys.com/features/08_mock_draft_buchanan_080408.php

Here are my picks from this mock draft:

Rd 1(26): Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College

I think this guy can play the OLT position and become dominant as a run blocker.

Rd 2(58): Reggie Smith - SS - Oklahoma

Jags tag a ballhawking SS that can step in and perhaps start from Day One in Training Camp.

Rd 3(71): Dre Moore - DE/DT - Maryland

Jags take a 3rd down DT that could play LDE on first and second downs.

Rd 3(89): Phillip Wheeler - LB - Ga. Tech

Jags grab another Ga. Tech LB who really can rush the passer and play all three LB positions.

Rd 4(125): Brian Johnston - DE - Gardner Webb

Jags take a chance on a player who just might be the next Jared Allen or Aaron Kampman.

Rd 5(143): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

Jags grab a recieving TE that could quickly become the No. 2 TE. He is also a local kid from Middleburg, Florida.

Rd 5(158): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

Jags grab their No. 3 QB who will sit out the 2008 season while he heals from his ACL injury.

Rd 5(159): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin

Jags take another injured player that could end up being a real gem at either the CB or FS spot for the Jags in 2009. He most likely sits out the 2008 season on IR.

RE: Would This Work?

Its Meier Time — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:02:08 GMT

I don't buy the whole Quentin Groves is too small theory. Look at his size compared to other d-ends in the league.

He's bigger than KGB, Aaron Schobel, and Robert Mathis.

The fact remains, he's an explosive pass rusher and we know the number 1 need for this team is just that. A pass rushing defensive end.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:09:38 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/7/2008)[/b][hr]It is possible that the Jags could consider Quintin Demps - S -UTEP at Pick 89 in Rd 3. He has punt return experience and is a ballhawk. Still, I think that Dexter Jackson offers greater value at that pick and will allow the Jags to trade Dennis Northcutt and his inflated salary.

Crazy as this sounds, I am beginning to reconsider Quentin Groves at Pick 26. I have been expecting his stock to fall and it remains solid at the end of Rd 1. If that were to happen then my draft might look like this:

Rd 1(26): Quentin Groves - DE - Auburn

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

Rd 3(71): Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska

Rd 3(89): Dexter Jackson - WR/PR - App. State

Rd 4(125): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB/S - Wisconsin

Rd 5(143): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

Rd 5 (158): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

Rd 5(159): Steve Slaton - RB/KR - West Va.[/quote]

My thoughts on this are that I don't like Quinten Groves with our 1st round pick. He is more suited for an OLB in a 3-4 scheme IMO. Too small at DE in a 4-3 scheme for my liking. Yes, I know what Dwight Freeney has done. He is the rare exception though. Carl Nicks will most likely go in the early 2nd round or no later than the middle 2nd. Several teams need OT help. IMO, #89 is too high for Dexter Jackson. I really hope we don't waste a 4th round pick on Ikegwuonu. We don't need another hurt player who is a "jar on the shelf". Steve Slaton has dropped some, but he will be gone before the late 5th round. YUCk, this is your worst scenario yet, Stigma.

RE: Would This Work?

Chooch — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:40:25 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/4/2008)[/b][hr] A couple of questions/comments Stigma...

Rd 1(26): Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College

I like this guy, but do you think he's quick enough to play LT? If he is, this just might be the steal of the draft.

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

I like Red, but again, is he fast enough to play DT here?

Rd 3(71): Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forrest

Just needs a season or two to develop.

Rd 3(89): Dexter Jackson - PR/WR - Appalachian State

Don't you feel like this is a reach? I like the guy a lot, but I'm thinking that you can still get him in Round Four.

Rd 4(125): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

Love this guy.

Rd 5(143): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin

Ditto.

Rd 5(158): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

This is a lot of football player to be had in the Fifth.

Rd 5(159): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

Jags take a TE with WR hands who can fill the same role that Ernest Wilford filled, yet he is bigger faster and a better blocker than Wilford with a rookie paycheck.[/quote]

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:04:05 GMT

It is possible that the Jags could consider Quintin Demps - S -UTEP at Pick 89 in Rd 3. He has punt return experience and is a ballhawk. Still, I think that Dexter Jackson offers greater value at that pick and will allow the Jags to trade Dennis Northcutt and his inflated salary.

Crazy as this sounds, I am beginning to reconsider Quentin Groves at Pick 26. I have been expecting his stock to fall and it remains solid at the end of Rd 1. If that were to happen then my draft might look like this:

Rd 1(26): Quentin Groves - DE - Auburn

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

Rd 3(71): Carl Nicks - OT - Nebraska

Rd 3(89): Dexter Jackson - WR/PR - App. State

Rd 4(125): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB/S - Wisconsin

Rd 5(143): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

Rd 5 (158): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

Rd 5(159): Steve Slaton - RB/KR - West Va.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:13:48 GMT

Stigma, where is the safety in your scenario? We are going to need to take one at some point in the draft for depth if nothing else. IMO, we need one early. How about something like this?

1. DT Kentwan Balmer-- although I don't think this is a position of huge need, the Jags could be looking to the future with this pick. Henderson and Meier are not getting any younger. Who knows if McDaniel will be productive. If there is no DE we like and Kenny Phillips is gone, Balmer could be the pick. I don't like DT this high due to the pretty good depth we have at the position, but it may be the best option when the time comes. Who would be the odd man out if we only kept 4 DT's?

2. S Tyrell Johnson-- I was not sold on this guy when people first mentioned him, but after seeing some clips of him play and reading about how is he climbing the boards, he looks like a solid 2nd rounder. IMO, we need help at Safety in a big way. At Strong Safety Sensabaugh has issues with both shoulders and we are one twisted ankle away from having Fudge start at Free Safety. Johnson can play both Safety positions and is said to be a great tackler against the run.

3. DE Jeremy Thompson-- another guy moving up the boards after some pretty good workouts. May not be the best option at DE, but after the top 3 DE's are gone, the gap between the talent level seems to narrow.

3. TE Kellen Davis-- Do we really need a TE this high? Yes. Wrighster has been a playmaker at times, but his knee may keep him from being very productive this year. Ultimately, that could cost him his roster spot. Davis is big (6-6, 265), fast (4.6) and a good blocker. Sounds like a fit for our offense.

Those picks would cover the 4 biggest needs of this team as I see them. The remaining picks could be used for RB, OL, LB, and another DB.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:47:54 GMT

After listening to Wayne Weaver suggest that the Jags are indeed close to signing David Garrard long term, I can only assume that David and his agent have come down a bit from their lofty demands to the point where a deal makes sense for both parties. I am happy if that happens because I want this team to succeed long term.

Assuming that David Garrard is signed prior to the draft, then drafting Brian Brohm in Rd 1 does not make as much sense as it would if the two parties could not come to terms. Accordingly, here is my latest projection:

Rd 1(26): Gosder Cherilus - OT - Boston College

I believe that the Jags have had their eye on this guy for a while. He could be a dominant OLT if he could forget about the times when he is occasionally defeated by the opposing DE. No doubt he is currently a dominant run blocker and putting him at the OLT spot would definitely improve the run blocking on that side of the line. Given the dominance of the Jags current running game and with the prospect that it could be even more dominant with Cherilus at the OLT spot, the Jags decide that they can live with his less than dominant pass blocking abilities for now.

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

He may not be flashy but he is a rock in the middle of the defensive line that just can not be rooted out. His run stuffing ability will allow the Jags to use three pass rushers to collapse the pocket.

Rd 3(71): Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forrest

This guy is a late riser that has pass rush ability but can also hold the point of attack.

Rd 3(89): Dexter Jackson - PR/WR - Appalachian State

Jags move to improve their punt return game and potentially allow the Jags to dump Dennis Northcutt's contract. Jackson offers big play ability in the return game and the short area quickness to take over the slot WR spot.

Rd 4(125): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

Jags add another sub-4.5/40 LB to the mix. There is a good chance that 2008 is the last year that Mike Peterson is with the team, and Guyton can play all three of the LB spots as well as rush the passer.

Rd 5(143): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin

Jags look to add a jar to the shelf for the 2009 season. Ikegwuonu is a mid Rd 2 value that is coming off an ACL injury. The Jags can afford to put him on the IR for 2008 and be patient about his development in 2009.

Rd 5(158): Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon

Jags take another player that they will shelve in 2008 for his promise in 2009. Prior to his ACL injury, he looked like a Heisman Trophy Winner who might have been taken in Rd 2 of this draft. As it stands now, the Jags can afford to let him heal on IR for the 2008 season.

Rd 5(159): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

Jags take a TE with WR hands who can fill the same role that Ernest Wilford filled, yet he is bigger faster and a better blocker than Wilford with a rookie paycheck.

RE: Would This Work?

maize n blue — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:11:54 GMT

My newest:

1) Calais Campbell, DE Miami 6’8” 290lbs. 5.03/40 – Bigger than prototype size and good athleticism. Vanished at times this past season. Was considered a top 10 pick after his Sophomore season. I am still convinced that he is far better than his workouts.

2) Dre Moore, DT Maryland 6’4” 305lbs. 4.88/40 – Rough around the edges DT with elite athleticism. Built more like a DE than a DT, but has a good base and strength to rival most DT’s in this draft class. With more polish, he’d be a late First Rounder, IMO.

3a) Brandon Keith OT/OG Northern Iowa 6’5” 343lbs. 4.98/40 – Athletic O-Lineman with great size and an ability to play 3 positions across the OL. With good coaching and improved technique, he could be very productive. Shows elite athleticism. Has off-the-field issues and quit on multiple occasions while at Oklahoma. Has the size to be a phonebooth mauler, but the athleticism to pull and get to the next level. Interesting prospect that could be overdrafted based simply on his measurables. Keith was a late 4^th / early 5^th round prospect before his workouts, but the workouts have bumped him at least a full round.

3b) Tom Zbikowski, SS Notre Dame 5’11” 209lbs. 4.55/40 – Experienced Safety with better-than-advertised coverage ability. Big hitter with good hands and instincts. Good Punt Returner. Surprised many with his excellent workouts. A true strong safety excels in the box, but is solid in coverage. Production dropped off this season on a bad Notre Dame team.

4) Tommy Blake, DE TCU 6’3” 272lbs. 4.78/40 – I don’t believe we can pass this guy up when he slides to us here. A former first round talent, who’s of the field issues really hurt his game and his scale this past season. Sought medical help for depression and anxiety and has worked very hard in the offseason to return to his prior form. He’s not there yet, but with a close eye by the coaching staff and an NFL quality conditioning program, he could be a helluva player in the mold of Terrell Suggs.

5a) Kevin O'Connell, QB San Diego State 6'5" 225lbs. 4.61/40– This guy is a developmental prospect with big upside. Good arm with good athleticism. Not what you’d call a polished QB, but has all the physical tools and prototype size. Definitely on the rise after showing well at the combine. Clearly shows the athleticism at the position that Shack and Jack covet. A season with Mike Shula will make O’Connell a very solid QB…sooner rather than later.

5b) Ben Moffitt, LB South Florida 6’1” 234lbs. 4.58/40 – Very productive LB’er with the ability to play ILB or OLB. Showed very well at his Pro Day after not running a 40 at the combine due to injury. Ran a low time of 4.55/40 at his Pro Day with a 37.5” vertical. Has the production and athleticism to be considered earlier, but the lack of need for us at LB will allow us to wait until the middle of the 5^th to grab him.

5c) Chauncey Washington, RB USC 5’11” 211lbs. 4.38/40 – Good all-around prospect that was thought to have marginal speed…until his Pro Day. He shocked scouts with times under 4.40 when he was expected to be at or around a 4.6/40. Decent pass catcher out of the backfield, but downfield routes need work. Averaged 5 ypc as a Senior and scored 10 TD’s. Battle-tested prospect with Big-game experience coming out of Southern Cal. May find it difficult to grasp an NFL playbook. Not a perfect prospect by any means, but has first day talent.

6) To Minnesota

7) To Seattle

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:25:55 GMT

If the Dolphins take DE Chris Long in the first round and we don't take a DE, I am starting to wonder if we trade our 2nd round pick to Miami for Jason Taylor. I would not be that upset if that were to happen. If we take a safety (Phillips) in the 1st and then get Taylor with the trade in the 2nd, the rest of the draft would be smooth sailing and filled with lots of BAPs. That would be sweet.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:29:40 GMT

[quote][b]ATLjag (4/1/2008)[/b][hr]1 (26). Quentin Groves OLB/DE Auburn 6'3 259- the "real deal" edge rusher that Del Rio has hoped to have with picks like Cordova, Smith and Hawkins.

2 (58). Red Bryant DT Tx A&M 6'4 318- rotational big body to replace Stroud.

3 (71). Tyrell JohnsonSS/FS Ark St 6'0 207- 4.4 speed, good ball skills, and broke all-time conference record for tackles.

3 (89). Josh Johnson QB San Diego 6'3 213- 43 TD against 1 interception last season, along with 4.5 speed...great developmental guy.

4 (125). Jamar Adams SS Michigan 6'2 212- great depth at safety and a great hitter for special teams.

5 (143). Frank Okam DT Texas 6'5 347-rotational scheme would fit him well for needed breathers.Potential Grady Jackson with development.

5 (158). Allen Patrick RB Oklahoma 6'1 198- solid back that should provide an upgrade to DD Terry.

5 (159). Tommy Blake DE TCU 6'3 272- gamble due to depression and anxiety disorder; however, was incredible during his junior year playing at a lighter weight.[/quote]

Pretty nice mock, but I don't like Groves or Blake. Groves- I think the DPR experiment is over in Jax. At least I hope it is. Blake- even Shack Harris is smart enough not to draft a nut case. I'm sorry, I mean a guy with mental issues. I like the rest of the picks.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:20:05 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/1/2008)[/b][hr]Even on vacation a fan can still be thinking about the college draft. Here is my latest offering:

Rd 1(26): Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville

Jags make sure they don't overpay David Garrard by drafting some serious competition for him in 2010.

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

Space-eater that will help replace Marcus Stroud in the DT rotation.

Rd 3(71): Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest

Speed rusher that is just beginning to come into his own.

Rd 3(89): Eric Young - OLT - Tennessee

Jags take a player that many think is better suited to be an OLG, but is a dominant run-blocker that can run downfield.

Rd 4(125): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

SLB/Blitz LB that will push Clint Ingram.

Rd 5(143): Keenan Burton - WR/PR - Kentucky

Solid WR who is not afraid to go over the middle and block, but will be tried as a punt returner.

Rd 5(158): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin

A shut-down CB that will need to be shelved for the 2008 season recoverying from his 2007 ACL injury.

Rd 5(159): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

Pass catching TE that will compete for 3rd TE spot on roster.[/quote]

I have been wondering were you were, Stigma. I think we need to draft a safety in there some where. Maybe even two. I mean which position do we have better depth at right now? DT or Safety? If Phillips and Brohm are available, I think we go with Phillips. Now if Phillips is gone, and the top 4 DE's are gone, Brohm is an outside possibility as BAP. I mentioned Brohm last month as our first round pick if he was there. But after I thought about it, I changed my mind. What kind of message would that send to Garrard and the fans who are just starting to really embrace him as the leader of the team. Not a good one.

RE: Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:12:00 GMT

[quote][b]pcjagfan1146 (4/2/2008)[/b][hr]Yes, that would work, jagabc. I'm thinking about JDR's press conference where he said not only are we going to draft a DE, but that we are going to draft a DT somewhere down the road for depth. I just don't see us as needing a DT for depth. If we need a DT, it's as a starter. Maybe we will get another DT in round 5, but I tend to think that it will be no later than our 1st choice in round 3. If Balmer slides to 26 as it looks like he may, then he could be the Jags first round selection. I would feel better, though, with Bryant or Rubin in round 2.

I just don't feel good about drafting at 26. Maybe if Atlanta doesn't get their QB in round 1, we could trade our 1 and 4 for two of their 2's. Does that make sense on the trade value chart? I haven't looked it up. Both teams would gain value.[/quote]

I don't know if it makes sense on the trade value chart, but I just don't think Atlanta would do that. They can probably get either Brohm, Henne or Flacco with their first pick in round 2. They need lots of players in different positions, so I don't see them giving up any early draft picks. You have to remember they traded DeAngelo Hall, so they will have to draft a CB early. They could get a DT, QB, CB, OT in the first 2 rounds by using all their current picks.

As far as a DT for us, I think we draft one later in the draft, not early. We will already have a pretty good four man rotation with Henderson, Meier, McDaniel and Landri. Why draft a guy early who would probably be #5?

RE: Would This Work?

pcjagfan1146 — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:39:30 GMT

Yes, that would work, jagabc. I'm thinking about JDR's press conference where he said not only are we going to draft a DE, but that we are going to draft a DT somewhere down the road for depth. I just don't see us as needing a DT for depth. If we need a DT, it's as a starter. Maybe we will get another DT in round 5, but I tend to think that it will be no later than our 1st choice in round 3. If Balmer slides to 26 as it looks like he may, then he could be the Jags first round selection. I would feel better, though, with Bryant or Rubin in round 2.

I just don't feel good about drafting at 26. Maybe if Atlanta doesn't get their QB in round 1, we could trade our 1 and 4 for two of their 2's. Does that make sense on the trade value chart? I haven't looked it up. Both teams would gain value.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:16:47 GMT

I firmly believe that Brohm is a Franchise QB that would have been a Top 10 pick last year. Brohm can make all throws and his arm is as big or bigger than anyone in this draft.

If he is available when the Jags select at Pick 26, then he will be the BAP and worthy of the selection.

The Salary Cap may be over and done with in two years and when that happens the Jags can't be on the hook for big dollars on anybody. The Jags are going to have to play with a cheap roster and rely on the draft, that is if the draft even survives the next CBA.

RE: Would This Work?

jj82284 — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:32:17 GMT

[quote][b]Stigma (4/1/2008)[/b][hr]Even on vacation a fan can still be thinking about the college draft. Here is my latest offering:

Rd 1(26): Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville

Jags make sure they don't overpay David Garrard by drafting some serious competition for him in 2010.

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

Space-eater that will help replace Marcus Stroud in the DT rotation.

Rd 3(71): Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest

Speed rusher that is just beginning to come into his own.

Rd 3(89): Eric Young - OLT - Tennessee

Jags take a player that many think is better suited to be an OLG, but is a dominant run-blocker that can run downfield.

Rd 4(125): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

SLB/Blitz LB that will push Clint Ingram.

Rd 5(143): Keenan Burton - WR/PR - Kentucky

Solid WR who is not afraid to go over the middle and block, but will be tried as a punt returner.

Rd 5(158): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin

A shut-down CB that will need to be shelved for the 2008 season recoverying from his 2007 ACL injury.

Rd 5(159): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

Pass catching TE that will compete for 3rd TE spot on roster.[/quote]

I may disagree on this issue, but at least you are consistent. it takes balls to stick with a position like this when DG is coming off a good year.

let me ask you this stigma, do you think that brohm is really a better prospect than hene? from what i understand hene has the better deep arm and would probably fit better with the TOYS. In all honesty even if they signed DG to a 100 million dollar contract i think that hene falling where he will and in my oppinion really being a top ten talent offer tremendous value.

RE: Would This Work?

ATLjag — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:04:39 GMT

1 (26). Quentin Groves OLB/DE Auburn 6'3 259- the "real deal" edge rusher that Del Rio has hoped to have with picks like Cordova, Smith and Hawkins.

2 (58). Red Bryant DT Tx A&M 6'4 318- rotational big body to replace Stroud.

3 (71). Tyrell Johnson SS/FS Ark St 6'0 207- 4.4 speed, good ball skills, and broke all-time conference record for tackles.

3 (89). Josh Johnson QB San Diego 6'3 213- 43 TD against 1 interception last season, along with 4.5 speed...great developmental guy.

4 (125). Jamar Adams SS Michigan 6'2 212- great depth at safety and a great hitter for special teams.

5 (143). Frank Okam DT Texas 6'5 347- rotational scheme would fit him well for needed breathers. Potential Grady Jackson with development.

5 (158). Allen Patrick RB Oklahoma 6'1 198- solid back that should provide an upgrade to DD Terry.

5 (159). Tommy Blake DE TCU 6'3 272- gamble due to depression and anxiety disorder; however, was incredible during his junior year playing at a lighter weight.

RE: Would This Work?

Stigma — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:45:29 GMT

Even on vacation a fan can still be thinking about the college draft. Here is my latest offering:

Rd 1(26): Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville

Jags make sure they don't overpay David Garrard by drafting some serious competition for him in 2010.

Rd 2(58): Red Bryant - DT - Texas A&M

Space-eater that will help replace Marcus Stroud in the DT rotation.

Rd 3(71): Jeremy Thompson - DE - Wake Forest

Speed rusher that is just beginning to come into his own.

Rd 3(89): Eric Young - OLT - Tennessee

Jags take a player that many think is better suited to be an OLG, but is a dominant run-blocker that can run downfield.

Rd 4(125): Gary Guyton - OLB - Ga. Tech

SLB/Blitz LB that will push Clint Ingram.

Rd 5(143): Keenan Burton - WR/PR - Kentucky

Solid WR who is not afraid to go over the middle and block, but will be tried as a punt returner.

Rd 5(158): Jack Ikegwuonu - CB - Wisconsin

A shut-down CB that will need to be shelved for the 2008 season recoverying from his 2007 ACL injury.

Rd 5(159): Gary Barnidge - TE - Louisville

Pass catching TE that will compete for 3rd TE spot on roster.

Would This Work?

jagabc6893 — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:48:04 GMT

Would you guys be upset with these first 4 picks for the Jags?

1. S Kenny Phillips, Miami, 6-2, 212, 4.55- with the top 4 DE's gone and so many questions about the remaining guys, the Jags grab Phillips, who is regarded as the best safety in the draft. This pick provides the Jags with a potential starter at Strong Safety, and at the very least some much needed depth at both Safety positions.

2. DE Jason Jones, Eastern Mich, 6-5, 273, 4.74- Del Rio stated the Jags would not reach in the first round for a DE. That could be a hint. Jason Jones may not start immediately, but he will add some much needed pressure on the QB and has lots of upside. I think the Jags also draft another DE or trade for one from another team before the season starts.

3. OT Anthony Collins, Kansas, 6-5, 317- drafted to compete with Khaliff Barnes at LT and to add overall depth to OL. This pick could come in the 2nd round if Jason Jones is not available.

3. TE John Carlson, Notre Dame, 6-5, 255, 4.75- the Jags are surprised when this highly rated TE drops this far in the draft. They snatch him up as an upgrade to Wrighster, who may still be recovering from his knee injury. Marcedes Lewis, John Carlson and Greg Estandia.. looks like a great trio at TE.