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RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Chooch — Thu, 01 May 2008 09:41:31 GMT

My final was a complete waste. I had two guys that went undrafted, D. Robertson and T. Blake. Although I did have two guys go waaaaayy berfore I thought they would. D. Jackson went to Tampa in Round 2 (!) and K. O'Connell went to New England in Round 3 (thanks maize). I hit on Zbikowski, just for the wrong team.

[quote][b]Chooch 4/10[/b][hr]

Round 1

(Jacksonville trades DOWN with Atlanta taking their highest Second Round selection (#34) and the 2009 First)

Trevor Laws, DT: Quick, mean, hard working player that had an unbelievably productive Senior season on a horrendously bad team. Has experience playing a DT in a 4-3 and DE in a 3-4, so he can fill in as an "under" Tackle, and he can split out to set the edge. He's just as good a football player as Dorsey and Ellis, but his teams lack of success is what drops his stock.

Round 2 - Dre Moore, DT: The new breed of DT, Moore is built like a Tackle, but has the agility and quickness of an End. He is an on-again/off again player, but a lot of folks think that this is due mostly to him being such a late starter in football. If you can get him to turn it on full-time, you have yourself a world class DT here.

Round 3a - Darrell Robertson, DE: A tall, rangy DE that has been drawing comparisons with Jason Taylor. It will probably take a few years for him to really come into his own, but once he does, we just may have the DE of the future.

Round 3b - Tom Zbikowski, SS: A tough guy who has some agility to him, he will add yet another nasty disposition towards Offensive Players to the Defense. He is faster than you might think and has a good run -support history.

Round 4 - Dexter Jackson, WR: I just can't let this guy go by. Has light-switch quickness and posted a TD catch in each of Appalachian State's playoff games plus two TD's when he went up against the big boys (Michigan). It will take him a while to develop his route-running skills, but he could become the slot Receiver that Dennis Northcutt only wishes he could be.

Round 5a - Tommy Blake, DE: I know, I know, that's a lot of big guys, but if Blake is here, you almost have to take a flyer on him. He was easily a top 10 selection before his meltdown, and depression can be treated just like an ACL tear can. He's just too good to pass up.

Round 5b - Kevin O'Connel, QB: Phenomenal Triangle numbers for a guy that didn't play against top-notch competition. I think he shows some happy feet at times, but you can't question his arm or his speed. Why not give him the D. Garrard treatment and let him practice for 4 years?

Round 5c - Corey Lynch, FS: Unbelievably productive at a small school, this is Nick Sorenson that can actually play a little Safety. Bring the guy in and let's see what he can do.

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RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

jagabc6893 — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:46:44 GMT

[quote][b]jagabc6893 (4/25/2008)[/b][hr]Final "mini-vault" selections with minimal trades (but I'm sure there will be some):

1. SS Tyrell Johnson, Arkansas St -depth at Safety, possible starter at SS

2. DE Jason Jones, East Michigan- big, fast DE rising up the boards

3. RB Kevin Smith, Central Florida- very productive RB, groomed for later
3. LB Marcus Howard, Georgia- played DE in college, ran a 4.42, more pass rush

4. TE Kellen Lewis, Michigan St- big, fast, strong blocker...bye Wrighster

5. CB Trae Williams, South Florida- continue to strengthen secondary
5. OT Tony Hills, Texas- talented OT who could develop into starter
5. WR Marcus Monk, Arkansas - 6'5" speedster from Arkansas...but a real WR
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Oh well, I got one right in the correct round at least--Trae Williams. I did predict there would be some trades, too. How did everybody else do?

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

maize n blue — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:20:16 GMT

4/26/2008: Final Pre-Draft Mock

Here's my Final mock. I've done a total 180 on Groves after reading the comments made about him the other day. Granted, I interpreted the info differently than some others did, but nonetheless...

1) Quentin Groves, DE - Auburn: Comments were made by Shack that he believes Groves can be an every-down DE in the NFL. I tend to agree. 260 lbs seems to be the magic number and he was 259lbs at the combine, with room to grow. He'll benefit now by having proven guys in front of him, in Spicer and Hayward.

2) Dre Moore, DT - Maryland: Ultra-athletic DT in a DE's body. Certainly has the athleticism to play LDE, maybe even RDE. Has the size and strength to hold the point and penetrate at DT. Has HUGE upside as he is fairly new to football. A good coaching staff will make this kid a monster. I can see Ty Warren type numbers from him.

3a) Tracy Porter, CB - Indiana: Solid all around CB with very good speed. A bigger version of Scott Starks with similar willingness to support in the run game. Excellent ball-skills as evidenced by his 16 career INT's in a big time conference. Shows good ability in the return game.

3b) Tom Zbikowski, SS - Notre Dame: Good all-around safety prospect with better-than-advertised athleticism. Has experience in big games on a big stage. Better in the box than in coverage, but reads and drops better than he's given credit for. Fills quickly against the run and has good range. Immediate impact player on ST's both in the return game and in punt/kick coverage.

4) Craig Stevens, TE - California: Very strong, very athletic TE with solid ability as a pass-catcher and in-line blocker. Very hard worker and solid character guy. Shows good short-area quickness and long speed. Not a huge producer in Cal's offense, but did have 7 career TD's.

5a) Stanford Keglar, OLB - Purdue: Has good size and athleticism. His sub-4.6/40 is backed up by his 39" vertical and 10'6" long jump. Shows outstanding upper body strength (29 reps) and has HUGE power clean numbers (352 lbs). Has solid, not outstanding, production. Should provide more excellent depth at OLB and should be solid in Special Teams.

5b) Vincent Redd, DE/OLB - Liberty: Our yearly small-school prospect. Size and athleticism you'd find in a First Rounder, but his lack of strength will keep him from rising much higher than the 4th-5th round. He's certainly a developmental prospect, but how often do you get to draft a guy that is 6'6" and runs a sub 4.6/40 at over 260 lbs in the Fifth Round?

5c) Zackary Bowman, CB/FS - Nebraska: This guy was a clear First Day selection prior to his injuries (he's had surgery on both knees). We'd be taking him early here, as he likely won't contribute until 2009. Has the size and speed to play either CB or FS. Has good coverage ability and ran quite well considering that he's still rehabbing (4.43/40). I see this as a Brian Smith situation where we draft him knowing he'll likely be on IR for the 2008 season and be ready to go in 2009. Considering the depth we have on this team, picking a known jar-on-the-shelf here is a wise bit of strategy to build future talent.

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

jagabc6893 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:53:39 GMT

Final "mini-vault" selections with minimal trades (but I'm sure there will be some):

1. SS Tyrell Johnson, Arkansas St -depth at Safety, possible starter at SS

2. DE Jason Jones, East Michigan- big, fast DE rising up the boards

3. RB Kevin Smith, Central Florida- very productive RB, groomed for later
3. LB Marcus Howard, Georgia- played DE in college, ran a 4.42, more pass rush

4. TE Kellen Lewis, Michigan St- big, fast, strong blocker...bye Wrighster

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

jagabc6893 — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:47:36 GMT

Back to Calais Campbell in the first round. Jags Picks as of 04-11-08:

1-26. DE Calais Campbell, Miami, 6-8, 290, 5.04- despite his recent lackluster workout numbers, Jags take the huge DE from Miami with a massive wingspan for his promising potential and his uncanny ability to bat balls and strip QB of ball in pocket. Campbell provides the Jags with another extra large defensive lineman and seems to be the kind of player Jack Del Rio favors on the front line.

2-58. S Tyrell Johnson, Arkansas St, 6-0, 207, 4.45- this athletic safety has shot up the boards. He can play strong or free safety and is said to have decent range in coverage but will also come up and support the run. A sure tackler and excellent special teamer who will provide much needed depth at Safety. Many feel Johnson can be a starter in the NFL. That may prove to be important if Sensabaugh does not fully recover from surgery on both shoulders.

3-71. TE Kellen Davis, Michigan St, 6-6, 265, 4.6- George Wrighster will still be recovering from a serious knee injury when the season starts. Davis is a big, fast, strong player who can also block well. He could immediately provide a needed upgrade over Wrighster. Lewis, Davis, and Estandia would constitute one of the better TE trios in the league for years to come.

3-89. DE Brian Johnston, Gardner Webb, 6-5, 274, 4.66- the Jags prove they are serious about upgrading the pass rush by taking their second DE in the first 3 rounds. Johnston is another player shooting up the boards due to his strong workouts. The Jags feel they can't wait until the later rounds to try to draft him, as Johnston may be gone by the start of the 4th round.

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Chooch — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:07:45 GMT

My latest as of 4/10:

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Round 1

(Jacksonville trades DOWN with Atlanta taking their highest Second Round selection (#34) and the 2009 First)

Trevor Laws, DT:[/color] Quick, mean, hard working player that had an unbelievably productive Senior season on a horrendously bad team. Has experience playing a DT in a 4-3 and DE in a 3-4, so he can fill in as an "under" Tackle, and he can split out to set the edge. He's just as good a football player as Dorsey and Ellis, but his teams lack of success is what drops his stock.

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Round 2 - Dre Moore, DT:[/color] The new breed of DT, Moore is built like a Tackle, but has the agility and quickness of an End. He is an on-again/off again player, but a lot of folks think that this is due mostly to him being such a late starter in football. If you can get him to turn it on full-time, you have yourself a world class DT here.

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Round 3a - Darrell Robertson, DE:[/color] A tall, rangy DE that has been drawing comparisons with Jason Taylor. It will probably take a few years for him to really come into his own, but once he does, we just may have the DE of the future.

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Round 3b - Tom Zbikowski, SS:[/color] A tough guy who has some agility to him, he will add yet another nasty disposition towards Offensive Players to the Defense. He is faster than you might think and has a good run -support history.

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Round 4 - Dexter Jackson, WR:[/color] I just can't let this guy go by. Has light-switch quickness and posted a TD catch in each of Appalachian State's playoff games plus two TD's when he went up against the big boys (Michigan). It will take him a while to develop his route-running skills, but he could become the slot Receiver that Dennis Northcutt only wishes he could be.

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Round 5a - Tommy Blake, DE:[/color] I know, I know, that's a lot of big guys, but if Blake is here, you almost have to take a flyer on him. He was easily a top 10 selection before his meltdown, and depression can be treated just like an ACL tear can. He's just too good to pass up.

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Round 5b - Kevin O'Connel, QB:[/color] Phenomenal Triangle numbers for a guy that didn't play against top-notch competition. I think he shows some happy feet at times, but you can't question his arm or his speed. Why not give him the D. Garrard treatment and let him practice for 4 years?

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Round 5c - Corey Lynch, FS:[/color] Unbelievably productive at a small school, this is Nick Sorenson that can actually play a little Safety. Bring the guy in and let's see what he can do.

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RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

maize n blue — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:07:43 GMT

My new Mock. I had to drop the 7th round Comp. Pick I was hoping for and remove Heath Benedict.

Jaguars Mock draft 4/3/2008

1) Calais Campbell, DE Miami 6’8” 290lbs. 5.03/40 – Bigger than prototype size and good athleticism. Vanished at times this past season. Was considered a top 10 pick after his Sophomore season. I am still convinced that he is far better than his workouts.

2) Dre Moore, DT Maryland 6’4” 305lbs. 4.88/40 – Rough around the edges DT with elite athleticism. Built more like a DE than a DT, but has a good base and strength to rival most DT’s in this draft class. With more polish, he’d be a late First Rounder, IMO.

3a) Brandon Keith OT/OG Northern Iowa 6’5” 343lbs. 4.98/40 – Athletic O-Lineman with great size and an ability to play 3 positions across the OL. With good coaching and improved technique, he could be very productive. Shows elite athleticism. Has off-the-field issues and quit on multiple occasions while at Oklahoma. Has the size to be a phonebooth mauler, but the athleticism to pull and get to the next level. Interesting prospect that could be overdrafted based simply on his measurables. Keith was a late 4^th / early 5^th round prospect before his workouts, but the workouts have bumped him at least a full round.

3b) Tom Zbikowski, SS Notre Dame 5’11” 209lbs. 4.55/40 – Experienced Safety with better-than-advertised coverage ability. Big hitter with good hands and instincts. Good Punt Returner. Surprised many with his excellent workouts. A true strong safety excels in the box, but is solid in coverage. Production dropped off this season on a bad Notre Dame team.

4) Tommy Blake, DE TCU 6’3” 272lbs. 4.78/40 – I don’t believe we can pass this guy up when he slides to us here. A former first round talent, who’s of the field issues really hurt his game and his scale this past season. Sought medical help for depression and anxiety and has worked very hard in the offseason to return to his prior form. He’s not there yet, but with a close eye by the coaching staff and an NFL quality conditioning program, he could be a helluva player in the mold of Terrell Suggs.

5a) Kevin O'Connell, QB San Diego State 6'5" 225lbs. 4.61/40– This guy is a developmental prospect with big upside. Good arm with good athleticism. Not what you’d call a polished QB, but has all the physical tools and prototype size. Definitely on the rise after showing well at the combine. Clearly shows the athleticism at the position that Shack and Jack covet. A season with Mike Shula will make O’Connell a very solid QB…sooner rather than later.

5b) Ben Moffitt, LB South Florida 6’1” 234lbs. 4.58/40 – Very productive LB’er with the ability to play ILB or OLB. Showed very well at his Pro Day after not running a 40 at the combine due to injury. Ran a low time of 4.55/40 at his Pro Day with a 37.5” vertical. Has the production and athleticism to be considered earlier, but the lack of need for us at LB will allow us to wait until the middle of the 5^th to grab him.

5c) Chauncey Washington, RB USC 5’11” 211lbs. 4.38/40 – Good all-around prospect that was thought to have marginal speed…until his Pro Day. He shocked scouts with times under 4.40 when he was expected to be at or around a 4.6/40. Decent pass catcher out of the backfield, but downfield routes need work. Averaged 5 ypc as a Senior and scored 10 TD’s. Battle-tested prospect with Big-game experience coming out of Southern Cal. May find it difficult to grasp an NFL playbook. Not a perfect prospect by any means, but has first day talent.

6) To Minnesota

7) To Seattle

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

jagabc6893 — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:59:56 GMT

Okay here is my latest attempt after a 3-round mock I just completed:

1. S Kenny Phillips, Miami, 6-2, 212, 4.55- with the top 4 DE's gone and so many questions about the remaining guys, the Jags grab Phillips, who is regarded as the best safety in the draft. This pick provides the Jags with a potential starter at Strong Safety, and at the very least some much needed depth at both Safety positions.

2. DE Jason Jones, Eastern Mich, 6-5, 273, 4.74- Del Rio stated the Jags would not reach in the first round for a DE. That could be a hint. Jason Jones may not start immediately, but he will add some much needed pressure on the QB and has lots of upside. I think the Jags also draft another DE or trade for one from another team before the season starts.

3. OT Anthony Collins, Kansas, 6-5, 317- drafted to compete with Khaliff Barnes at LT and to add overall depth to OL. This pick could come in the 2nd round if Jason Jones is not available.

3. TE John Carlson, Notre Dame, 6-5, 255, 4.75- the Jags are surprised when this highly rated TE drops this far in the draft. They snatch him up as an upgrade to Wrighster, who may still be recovering from his knee injury. Marcedes Lewis, John Carlson and Greg Estandia.. looks like a great trio at TE.

Other rounds:

4. DT Frank Okam, Texas - added depth and competition for DL.

5. LB Bryan Kehl, BYU- had a great Pro Day and opened eyes, could be 4th rnd.

5. SS Caleb Campbell, Army- more depth at Safety and special teams player

5. RB Cory Boyd, South Carolina- tough runner and good hands for 3rd RB spot.

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Chop block — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:12:35 GMT

Updated draft...

1. DE Phillip Merling / Quentin Groves

2. LT Carl Nicks / Duane Brown

3a. SS Tyrell Johnson / Tom Zbiikowski

3b. MLB Tavares Gooden / Beau Bell

4. RB Jalen Parmele / Cory Boyd

5a. CB Trae Williams / DuJuan Tribble

5b. SS Corey Lynch / Caleb Campbell

5c. LB Ben Moffitt / DE Vince Redd / DE Andy Studebacker

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Big John — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:02:53 GMT

New one...

1st: [b]Quentin Groves[/b]: Our need is at pass rusher and he is the best in the draft, not to mention he weighed in at 257 which isn't bad for his speed.

2nd: [b]Tyrell Johnson[/b]: Big time talent that might not even be available at this point in the draft.

3rdA: [b]Carl Nicks[/b]: Mammoth Tackle that could battle with Collier if we decide to let Khalif go next year.

3rdB: [b]Andre Fluellen[/b]: Probably the most underrated DT prospect. A first round talent that played injured all season last year.

4th: [b]Thomas Brown[/b]: Very good, hard runner in the mold of Cadillac Williams. Could also contribute on special teams.

5thA: [b]Gary Barnidge[/b]: Very athletic and good all around TE. Would compliment Marcedes nicely.

5thB: [b]Tommy Blake[/b]: First round talent with serious personal problems that you have to hope are corrected. Same problems as Ricky Williams.

5thC: [b]Jack Ikegwuono[/b]:Would go on IR for the first year, but has a lot talent. Would hope he could pull a Cromartie.

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Chooch — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:20:45 GMT

[quote][b]Chop block (3/27/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Chooch (3/27/2008)[/b][hr]...

[quote][b]Chop block (3/26/2008)[/b][hr]

... [/quote][/quote]

"I feel like you reached a bit with Nicks and Keller."

You may very well be right. Truthfully, I have the Tackles ranked as Long, Clady, Otah, Nicks, Williams in the 1st, and Baker falling to the 2nd round. Carl Nicks really impressed me during the Senior Bowl and it is truely amazing how fast he can slide against speed rushers. He has a solid post leg at either Tackle position as well. I was in favor of Lawrence Jackson at #26 until Nicks "handled" him and I'm not a fan of Quentin Groves. It has been reported that his is a female private part, which I will not state, when it comes to injuries. I will trust Pete's source on that one.

I still like Jackson. While I agree that he didn't have a great Senior Bowl, he has a lot of experience playing on a very good collegiate Defense. While he may never shatter the sack record, I think he could be a R. Heyward clone and I wouldn't mind spending a bottom half of Round One Selection on a guy like that, if I knew he was going to be around for the next ten years.

As far as Keller goes, I will have to admit to reaching on that selection. I love the way that the Colts use Dallas Clark and genuinely feel that Dustin Keller could be used the same way. I figured the only RDE worth selecting in the 2nd round is Chris Ellis, but I've read that has a problem with authority. Also, he got burned during the Senior Bowl because he didn't stay at home (contain) on his side of the field. It seems to me that most of the DE's in this draft are suited for the left side or a 3-4 defense. I'm also very hopeful that Branden Flowers falls as well. He may have timed slow in the 40, but the tape doesn't lie. That kid can play football!

Thank you for the Carl Nicks correction, not quite sure why I put Virginia Tech. By the way, I liked your Kendall Langford selection in the 3rd round. He looked fierce in short yardage situations and is really moving up the Board.

Just curious, what do you think about Devin Thomas, if the value DL are off the Board, at #26? From what I've seen of him he appears to be the real deal. Also, if the Jaguars get a 4th round selection by trading Matt Jones, who would you select? I think I'm leaning toward a CB or WLB/special teams ace like Jordan Dizon or Wesley Woodyard.

I view D. Thomas almost the opposite way that I view USC's L. Jackson. He measures out at an extraordinary level, but you just don't have that much tape to watch on him. He is really raw, and the problem that I have with guys like that is that you just don't know how long, if ever, it's going to take them to be that polished guy that you are looking for.
Don't get me wrong, he could turn out to be one bad-*** WR, but then again, so was T. Williamson.

For the spare Fourth that you speak of, I gotta go with my man D. Jackson out of App. State. The more I think about it, I just don't know if he will be in the Fifth, and I like what he would bring to the table as a WR/Return man. He has light-switch quickness and a good top end. While he isn't the best route-runner out there, you can teach him that. And I think that it's safe to say that he is a big-time guy seeing as how he had a TD in each of App. State's '07 playoff games.

Once again, thanks for the input.[/quote]

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Chop block — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:38:44 GMT

[quote][b]Chooch (3/27/2008)[/b][hr]Hmmm, interesting.

I feel like you reached a bit with Nicks and Keller, but I am really glad that you have brought a different feel to the Mock. Overall I like it, especially Lynch.

See my comments below.

[quote][b]Chop block (3/26/2008)[/b][hr]

It is my opinion that the only true needs required to be addressed in the draft are the DE and SS position. Beyond Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, Derrick Harvey, and Phillip Merling there are not any true "first round" talents remaining at the DE position. Considering that it is highly unlikely that any of them will slip to our spot I would rather see the Jaguars select the BAP then reach for a DE because of need. However, reaching for small school "sleepers" in late rounds may be the only option unless the front office is considering trading up for a DE. For that reason my draft is as follows:

1) Carl Nicks, LT Nebraska 6’5”, 330 lbs. 5.25/40

Again, I think that this is a reach, and Nicks actually went to Nebraska, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Jacksonville go OT in Round One.

2) Dustin Keller, TE Purdue 6’4” 245 lbs. 4.54/40

A reach again I think, but he just might be the best selection in the bottom of Round Two, you never know. I don't really know how he will fit in here, but if he is selected, it doesn't bode well for G. Wrighster.

3a) Cliff Avril, OLB/DE Purdue 6’3”, 260lbs. 4.68/40

Every year the team selects a DPR, might this be the one?

3b) Tyrell Johnson, SS Arkansas State 6'1" 210 lbs. 4.44/40

Love this pick.

4) Jeremy Zuttah, C/G Rutgers 6’4”, 300 lbs. 5.00/40

I Don't know the first thing about this guy, but I like your philosophy about how a good runner like Rice has to have great Linemen, and usually the Center is one.

5a) Corey Lynch, SS Appalachian State 6-1, 215 lbs. 4.55/40

Love this pick even more than Johnson. The guy is a player that needs a season to develop.

5b) Ben Moffitt, LB South Florida 6’1”, 235 lbs. 4.58/40

5c) Vince Redd, DE Liberty 6’6”, 265 lbs. 4.55/40

6) ...Minnesota

7) Andy Studebaker, DE Wheaton 6’3” 255 lbs. 4.55/40 –

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"I feel like you reached a bit with Nicks and Keller."

Once again, thanks for the input.

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Chooch — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:58:39 GMT

Hmmm, interesting.

I feel like you reached a bit with Nicks and Keller, but I am really glad that you have brought a different feel to the Mock. Overall I like it, especially Lynch.

See my comments below.

[quote][b]Chop block (3/26/2008)[/b][hr]

1) Carl Nicks, LT Virginia Tech 6’5”, 330 lbs. 5.25/40

Again, I think that this is a reach, and Nicks actually went to Nebraska, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Jacksonville go OT in Round One.

2) Dustin Keller, TE Purdue 6’4” 245 lbs. 4.54/40

3a) Cliff Avril, OLB/DE Purdue 6’3”, 260lbs. 4.68/40

Every year the team selects a DPR, might this be the one?

3b) Tyrell Johnson, SS Arkansas State 6'1" 210 lbs. 4.44/40

Love this pick.

4) Jeremy Zuttah, C/G Rutgers 6’4”, 300 lbs. 5.00/40

I Don't know the first thing about this guy, but I like your philosophy about how a good runner like Rice has to have great Linemen, and usually the Center is one.

5a) Corey Lynch, SS Appalachian State 6-1, 215 lbs. 4.55/40

Love this pick even more than Johnson. The guy is a player that needs a season to develop.

5b) Ben Moffitt, LB South Florida 6’1”, 235 lbs. 4.58/40

5c) Vince Redd, DE Liberty 6’6”, 265 lbs. 4.55/40

6) ...Minnesota

7) Andy Studebaker, DE Wheaton 6’3” 255 lbs. 4.55/40 –

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RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

Chop block — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:50:08 GMT

1) Carl Nicks, LT Nebraska 6’5”, 330 lbs. 5.25/40 - Khalif Barnes has been in the dog house for quite some time. Carl Nicks shutdown Lawrence Jackson and looked fantastic at the Senior Bowl , playing both left and right tackle. He is very effective against speed rushers and a bulldozer as run blocker. No DE is of value with the 26th pick, unless Phillip Merling continues to slide and may very well be the best value on the board besides Devin Thomas at #26.

2) Dustin Keller, TE Purdue 6’4” 245 lbs. 4.54/40 – Keller has as good, if not better hands than most of the WR’s in this draft. He had an incredible showing at the Combine. Although he does not fit the Jaguars design for TE play, he can play the slot or be split out much like the Colts utilize Dallas Clark. He is undersized for a blocking TE but does have very good strength. The addition of Dustin Keller coupled with Jerry Porter and a healthy Mike Walker could allow the Jaguars to seriously stretch the field, which could only help an already stellar running game.

3a) Cliff Avril, OLB/DE Purdue 6’3”, 260lbs. 4.68/40 – Very athletic DE, so much so that he could play OLB in a 3-4 defense. He reminds many of Anthony Spencer of the Dallas Cowboys (former teammate). He has some decent pass rushing skills, but will not over-power anyone.

3b) Tyrell Johnson, SS Arkansas State 6'1" 210 lbs. 4.44/40 - Measurables are through the roof. Johnson would add much needed explosion and speed to the secondary. Small school gamble with huge upside.

4) Jeremy Zuttah, C/G Rutgers 6’4”, 300 lbs. 5.00/40 – Remarkable agility and has the ability to play any spot on the OL. Huge reason for the success of Ray Rice at Rutgers.

5a) Corey Lynch, SS Appalachian State 6-1, 215 lbs. 4.55/40 - Lynch played exceptional during the Michigan upset! He had the best cone- drill time of any DB during the Combine or Pro Day's.

5b) Ben Moffitt, LB South Florida 6’1”, 235 lbs. 4.58/40 – Key player in South Florida’s early success in 2007. Has a nose for the football and sheds blocks well. Showed very well at his Pro Day by running a low time of 4.55/40 with a 37.5” vertical jump.

5c) Vince Redd, DE Liberty 6’6”, 265 lbs. 4.55/40 – An all- conference selection last season. He posted a 39” vertical jump and a 9’10” broad jump during pro day workout. He is a small school gamble that needs upper body strength and conditioning to be successful at the next level. Similar build and motor to that of former Akron standout, Jason Taylor. Only lacking in upper body strength, which could easily be remedied by a year of NFL strength and conditioning.

6) ...Minnesota

7) Andy Studebaker, DE Wheaton 6’3” 255 lbs. 4.55/40 – Small school DE that was injured the 5^th game into the 2007 season. Studebacker camped-out in the opposition’s backfield for most of his career. Developmental selection with huge upside.

RE: Message Board Mock draft Vault

maize n blue — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:51:23 GMT

[quote][b]Chooch (3/20/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (3/20/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Chooch (3/20/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (3/15/2008)[/b][hr]My newest...

Jaguars Mock draft 3/15/2008 – including probable 7^th round compensator

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5a) Kevin O’Connell, QB San Diego State 6’5” 225lbs. 4.61/40 – It’s looking more and more like QG won’t be on this roster next season. This guy is a developmental prospect with big upside. Good arm with good athleticism. Not what you’d call a polished QB, but has all the physical tools and prototype size. Definitely on the rise after showing well at the combine. Clearly shows the athleticism at the position that Shack and Jack covet. A season with Mike Shula will make O’Connell a very solid QB…sooner rather than later.

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I heard that O'Connell measured in at the dreaded 6' 6" height. That is huge for a QB.[/quote]

A 4.61 / 40 at 6'6" is incredibly fast. If nothing else, he may get looks as an athlete-type of QB. Kind of like a much bigger Seneca Wallace.[/quote]

Yes it is. Really, really fast. I have to wonder if he might be even more attractive than J. Johnson just due to his arm strength.

I am scouring trying to find out everything that I can about this guy.[/quote]

I told you he'd be hot after workouts...I just hope he doesn't get too hot.

To me, he's the perfect candidate for the type of guy you'd want to bring in for our offense. He got very good athleticism like David and Cleo. He's got very good arm strength much like the other two. I think it makes sense to bring in a guy that you don't have to make many changes to accommodate.

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Chooch — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:19:07 GMT

[quote][b]maize n blue (3/20/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Chooch (3/20/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (3/15/2008)[/b][hr]My newest...

Jaguars Mock draft 3/15/2008 – including probable 7^th round compensator

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I heard that O'Connell measured in at the dreaded 6' 6" height. That is huge for a QB.[/quote]

A 4.61 / 40 at 6'6" is incredibly fast. If nothing else, he may get looks as an athlete-type of QB. Kind of like a much bigger Seneca Wallace.[/quote]

Yes it is. Really, really fast. I have to wonder if he might be even more attractive than J. Johnson just due to his arm strength.

I am scouring trying to find out everything that I can about this guy.

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maize n blue — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:43:04 GMT

[quote][b]Chooch (3/20/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]maize n blue (3/15/2008)[/b][hr]My newest...

Jaguars Mock draft 3/15/2008 – including probable 7^th round compensatory

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5a) Kevin O’Connell, QB San Diego State 6’5” 225lbs. 4.61/40 – It’s looking more and more like QG won’t be on this roster next season. This guy is a developmental prospect with big upside. Good arm with good athleticism. Not what you’d call a polished QB, but has all the physical tools and prototype size. Definitely on the rise after showing well at the combine. Clearly shows the athleticism at the position that Shack and Jack covet. A season with Mike Shula will make O’Connell a very solid QB…sooner rather than later.

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I heard that O'Connell measured in at the dreaded 6' 6" height. That is huge for a QB.[/quote]

A 4.61 / 40 at 6'6" is incredibly fast. If nothing else, he may get looks as an athlete-type of QB. Kind of like a much bigger Seneca Wallace.

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Chooch — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:10:38 GMT

[quote][b]maize n blue (3/15/2008)[/b][hr]My newest...

Jaguars Mock draft 3/15/2008 – including probable 7^th round compensatory

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I heard that O'Connell measured in at the dreaded 6' 6" height. That is huge for a QB.

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pcjagfan1146 — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:20:21 GMT

Okay, here is my middle of March mock draft.

1. Phillips, SS. If Phillips is not available then I flip the first two picks with Nicks, OT and DeCoud, SS, being the selections. Johnson and Morgan have already been selected earlier in round 2.

2. Hills, OT.

3a. Langford, DE.

3b. Butler, LB. an alternate is Guyton, LB.

4. Terrell, CB. faster than Jackson.

5a. Barnidge, TE. a solid receiving TE. probably will not be selected by Jags since he is not the well-rounded type TE they seem to prefer.

5b. Boyd, RB.

5c. Roach, S.

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maize n blue — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:44:32 GMT

My newest...

Jaguars Mock draft 3/15/2008 – including probable 7^th round compensatory

3a) Heath Benedict, OT/OG Newberry 6’5” 326lbs. 5.07/40 – Athletic O-Lineman with great size and an ability to play 4 positions across the OL. If asked to play early, he’d project inside. With good coaching and improved technique, he could be a very productive OLT. Shows elite athleticism and was angered after running a “slow” 5.07/40 at the combine and only putting up 27 reps of 225lbs. He claims to be more of a 4.85/40 guy and 33-35 reps! One time High School All America admits readily to partying his way out of the Tennessee Volunteer program (I didn’t think that was possible). He decided to attend Newberry in order to continue to play football without sitting out a season.

5c) Cory Boyd. RB South Carolina 6’0” 213lbs. 4.51/40 – Strong, productive running back with good hands out of the backfield. Has the ability to run over safeties and the speed to beat linebackers to the edge. The real question mark was his speed, but he answered that with a solid 4.51 at the combine.

6) To Minnesota

7) Zackary Bowman, CB/FS Nebraska 6’0” 197lbs. 4.39/40 – Significant injury risk pushes this kid straight to the bottom of the draft. However, two knee surgeries later and the kid still runs a 4.4/40. Excellent size/speed ratio and decent hands. More of a zone than a man-to-man corner as he plays best with the ball in front of him. Struggles with smaller, shiftier receivers in space and may project best as a backup FS where he can use his speed to keep everything in front of him. With a roster like ours, any 7^th rounder would have a hard time sticking on our roster. You might as well take one with first day talent knowing that you can keep him around at least one year by putting him on IR.

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jagabc6893 — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:59:32 GMT

My latest thinking is Jags put SS over DT as a bigger need.

Rd 1 (26) DE Lawrence Jackson (may be taken even if Campbell falls)

Rd 2 (58) OT Heath Benedict (drafted for depth, and to groom as starter in 2009)

Rd 3 (71) SS Jamar Adams (big need, is Sensabaugh really 100%?)
Rd 3 (89) TE Kellen Davis (strong, great blocker, Wrighster probably out of picture)

Rd 4 (121) RB Allen Patrick (fills Toefield's spot at #3 RB)

Rd 5(139): LB Ezra Butler, Nevada (continue to add speed at LB)
Rd 5(151): CB Darnell Terrell, Missouri (more depth to rejuvinate secondary)
Rd 5(152): QB Matt Flynn (only if Jags carry 3 QB's instead of 2 this year)

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jagabc6893 — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:58:21 GMT

Jags Post-Free Agency Mock, Without Trade Up, 03-04-08:

Rd 1(26): DE Lawrence Jackson, USC (6th rated DE fills big need for Jags)

Rd 2(58): OT Heath Benedict, Newberry (Jags don't wait to see if he's left in 3rd)

Rd 3(71): DT Dre Moore, Maryland (good sized, quick DT adds nice depth)
Rd 3(89): SS Josh Barrett, Arizona St. (fast safety could eventually start)

Rd 4(121): TE Kellen Davis, Mich St (big athaletic TE, see ya Wrighster)

Rd 5(139): LB Ezra Butler, Nevada (continue to add speed at LB, good bye Mike P)
Rd 5(151): CB Darnell Terrell, Missouri (more depth to rejuvenate secondary)
Rd 5(152): RB Allen Patrick, Oklahoma (Toefield not brought back, 3rd RB needed)

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Jags4champs — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:54:44 GMT

1. Calais Campbell DE Miami, 6'8 280

2. Dre Moore DT Maryland, 6'4 311

3a. Brad Cottam TE Tennessee, 6'8 270

3b. Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech, 5'10 180 Return man

4. Dennis Dixon QB Oregon, 6'4 205

5a. Wesley Woodyard OLB/SS Kentucky, 6'1 212

5b. Kirk Barton OT Ohio St., 6'6 300

5c. Chad Rinehart G Northern Iowa, 6'5 308

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Big John — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:53:45 GMT

[quote][b]Big John (3/4/2008)[/b][hr]1/27

Round 1. Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn- Pure, speed pass rushing end.
Alternates- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee St.

Round 2. Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona- Play-making corner with punt return skills. Solid height (6-0).
Alternates- Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
Chris Ellis, DE, Virginia Tech
Kendall Langford, DE, Hampton
Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

Round 3. D.J. Hall, WR, Alabama- Natural receiver. Not a blazer, but can generate seperation and has excellent hands and ball skills
Alternates- Lavelle Hawkins, WR, California
Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame
Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt

Round 4. Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas- Athletic TE that has the ability to stretch the seams. With Wrighster recovering from an ACL tear, this guy could take his spot.
Alternates- Eddie Royal, WR, Virginia Tech
Dexter Jackson, WR, Appalachian St.
Zach Bowman, CB, Nebraska

Round 5. Thomas Brown, RB, Georgia- Quick, hard runner with tremendous kick return ability. Takes Toe's spot, with the possibility of being a full time KR.
Alternates- Wesley Woodyard, LB, Kentucky
Jeremy Zuttah, OG/T, Rutgers
Chad Rienhart, OG, Northern Iowa

Round 5. Jeremy Zuttah, OL, Rutgers- Has not given up a sack since 2005. Coaches voted him first team all Big East
Alternates- Louis Holmes, DE, Arizona
Jolonn Dunbar, LB, Boston College
Jordan Dizon, LB, Colorado

Round 6. Jonal Saint-Dic, DE, Michigan St.- Great pass rusher, but undersized. 10 sacks in his senior season
Alternates- Bernard Morris, QB, Marshall
Brandon McAnderson, FB, Kansas
Darius Reynaud, WR, WVU

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To update w/ the free agency signings, there are some changes to make...

1. Quentin Groves- We need a pass rusher and he's the best in the draft.

2. Carl Nicks- OT is a need and this guy is mammoth.

3a. Josh Johnson- Has time to groom into the starter for '10 or '11 season

3b. Andre Fluellen- Would be rated much higher if he wasn't battling injuries his senior season

4. Jermichael Finley- Great pass catcher that needs to develop his blocking

5a. Jeremy Zuttah- No sacks given up since 2005

5b. Thomas Brown- good KR ability.

5c. Tommy Blake- Got some personal issues that he needs to overcome, but definitely has the talent if he gets his head right.