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| |  Posted Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:53 PM | |
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| rfc17 (4/22/2008)
Larry (4/22/2008)
Over on the 1010XL OnDemand, they had SFR's interview with Calais Campbell.
He had some interesting things to say...
~ He has talked to the Jaguars more than any other team and they have shown the most interest in drafting him.
which is interesting because Randy Shannon said the Jags hadnt called to talk to him personally at all. youd think if we were seriously interested in Campbell that we would have talked to the head coach. unless of course Shannon lied to spread a little misinformation. or maybe our guys talked with larry coker.
Right on it rfc17, Shannon told Ballou that neither Shack nor Jack called him about Campbell. I cant see why the Jags would ask Coker over Shannon, Shannon knows alot more about Campbell. |
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| | | Posted Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:39 PM | |
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| rfc17 (4/22/2008)
Larry (4/22/2008)
Over on the 1010XL OnDemand, they had SFR's interview with Calais Campbell.
He had some interesting things to say...
~ He has talked to the Jaguars more than any other team and they have shown the most interest in drafting him.
which is interesting because Randy Shannon said the Jags hadnt called to talk to him personally at all. youd think if we were seriously interested in Campbell that we would have talked to the head coach. unless of course Shannon lied to spread a little misinformation. or maybe our guys talked with larry coker.
Like I said in that one thread stating that...Randy wouldn't have told the media even if the Jaguars really talked to him.
The guy is pretty stiff to the media, as in, he doesn't give any information that he doesn't want to. He has been in the NFL, he knows the drill. No info being given on the mic to media. He might drop some good stuff off the record, but on the mic...good luck. I have a tough time getting anything from him when I interview him on the record, so...I know how it is.
Calais and other players...not so coy in their approach as coaches. |
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| | | Posted Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:02 PM | |
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| | Every draft pick is pretty much a big risk, but taking Campbell will be considered one of the biggest risks in the 2008 Draft. Some team that can afford to take a risk should take him sometime in the second round. |
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| | | Posted Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:15 PM | |
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| GatorCountry (4/22/2008)
HURRICANE!!! (4/22/2008)
I'm still committed to Xavier Lee in Round 1.
When is 1010xl interviewing the X man ?Seems like its only me and you that think Xavier lee is without a doubt the best player in the darft, If he is available at 26 and we pass him up, I am going to jump off the Dames Point bridge  The only way I see us passing on the X man is if Jake Long slips to #26. 
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| | | Posted Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:59 PM | |
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| The Mad Dog (4/22/2008)
Stigma (4/22/2008)
The guy that I heard the Redskins really wanted is Phillip Merling.
I REALLY hope this plays out that way in the draft.
Let Campbell fall to us.
I'd bet the poor combine for Campbell is the main reason for so many people falling out of favor with him. Fools are they, as the combine is usually fools gold, whose stars usually never go on to match that success in the pros. Some of the more famous "combine" stars of recent:
Matt Jones
Vernon Davis
Mike Mamula
LeRon Landry
The game of football isn't played on a track, so I have no idea why year after year, fans/ GM's/ scouts/ etc etc keep making the same mistakes year after year in OVER-valuing great combine numbers as if that is the be all end all for projecting great college players to the pro game.
More often than not, the best combine players bust at the next level.
[size=2]I put way more stock football stuff over track stuff when it comes to projecting college players. [/size]
Combine numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, but they can't be ignored...
Speed shouldn't be ignored. Remember Peter Warrick's slow 40 time? He had massive production in college, but he didn't have the speed to get it done in the NFL.
A team can't ignore combine numbers in the first round. A first round as someone so aptly put it on this board is about finding reasons to not draft a player- Campbell has provided it.
He's now no longer a "safe" pick, and for better or worse he'll probably drop to the jags. |
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| | | Posted Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:57 AM | |
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| Tigeras (4/22/2008)
2 things you just can't coach - size and speed. Groves may have the speed and decent height, we're talking about a player who has to be on the field every down and not just situation. Granted, if the Jags chose him, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but can he be on the field that long? Campbell has the size - tall as (if not taller) than John Henderson - how do you pass a ball over a 6'8"(ish) DE and 6'7" DT next to each other? His speed is in question, but then again, when the Jags were choosing between Henderson and Haynesworth, didn't everyone say "Henderson has back problems, he won't be any good." or that he wasn't as quick as Haynesworth .... he's worked fine so far.  I'd have no problems with either... if it came down to the 3 though : Merling, Campbell and Groves - I'd probably take them in that order (but wouldn't have problems with any of them) Groves bugs me as a prospect simply because the Jaguars already have too many situational type guys on their roster, and he's really just be another. Granted he'd be the best situational guy on the roster, but is he really that much better than Brent Hawkins? Simply put, the Jaguars are getting old at DE and need to find young player at the position who can come in and, if not immediately, will eventually take over a full-time starting role. I'm very confident that Merling would do that. And, I'm fairly confident that Campbell would do the same. I'm ok with both as they are both stout against the run, but Merling is more of the full package at DE. Moreover, Merling is better suited to play RDE whereas Campbell is better suited for LDE, and it's really RDE where the Jaguars need help this year. On top of all that, Merling if he fell would totally be the BAP whereas Campbell would be reported as a reach by the media. The same can be said of Lawrence Jackson, who is also more of a RDE. I'm ok with Jackson if he were the pick, but everyone would know the Jaguars reached for him out of need. That much would be blatantly obvious. My feeling is that at #26 you're at a good spot for a QB, WR, TE, OT, CB, DT, MLB, S or RB, but you're not at a good spot for a DE, OLB, OG, C or K/P. If I wanted to use that pick for a DE, my first option would be to trade up to #19 or #20 with one of our third round picks in order to get Harvey or Merling. With the Chiefs now picking at #17 (they want an OL and a CB with their first two picks), one of these two should be there. If trading up were not an option, then I'd trade down to the mid-30s (call up Mike Smith and offer the #26, #125 and #143 for their #37 and #68) where either Campbell or Jackson, if not both, will still be there. Of the two I'd pick Campbell simply because he knows how to get his mitts up in their air to knock down balls in the tradition of Hayward, Stroud and Henderson. Now that the Dolphins signed Jake Long, the Rams are sure to get their DE with the 2nd pick meaning they won't need one at #33 and at least one will fall to the #37 pick. Selecting Campbell at #37 would equate to matching value to the pick, and I'd be very impressed with the front office for doing so.
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| | | Posted Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:55 AM | |
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| | We should not force ourselves to pick a DE with our first selection in the draft. The status of the DE position is better than most of the fans think it is. Remember we finished 9th in sacks. 9th is not in the elite, but 9th is not terrible like many imply. Our DE position is going to naturally be better than it was last year. Wyche and Smith come off IR and Hayward has another year to recover from his surgery and Mincey improved significantly from the playing time he got last year. So without doing anything the Jags will be better at DE this year than last year. If the Jags choose to force a DE pick with our first round selection then we would probably have to trade up or down to receive maximum value for the pick. As a general rule, I hate to move up. You are not just trading 2 draft picks for 1, you are trading 2 players for 1. For example, say we could chose Phillips with #26 and Wheeler with #89 or we could trade up with those 2 picks and select Merling. Is Merling worth Phillips and Wheeler? I don't think so. I would rather stay at 26 and take the BAP for our team whether that is Phillips or a CB or OT or DT. |
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